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3883:, have been the first ones to say it is Is-Ter, but usually national authorities are explicit, and have a vested interest in being explicit. I am only guessing, but the BBC report mentions mental health issues with regard to the Reading accused, so police may be delaying making this judgement until they have a more cast-iron case, or until trial. If you think about it, why should any newspaper, but especially one outside the UK, be in a better position to make a judgement about an accused's motive than the actual police interviewing him and scrutinising his computer/browsing history etc. There is in the real world, and has been in the past on this page, a tendency to assume that any violent act perpetrated by a muslim, or someone from a muslim country, was Islamic terrorism. Reading may very well turn out to be wholly or partially motivated by Islamist motives - but time - and the police/courts - will tell. 1919: 592:. All this may well be true - but it is pure synth to go from 10,000 Salafists plus Salafism is often linked to militant extremism, to the used text. German intelligence authorities were clearly concerned about the rise in numbers linked to ideologies which correlate highly with Islamism and violent action. But the text used is pure synth - nowhere does it support the claim nor does any source claim that ALL salafists are 'militant' - whatever that means in this context, but which is the implicit conclusion of the text used. 3519:
difficulties. The Buckingham Palace incident was spectacularly amateur, the would be perpetrator got lost looking for Windsor Castle and ended up at Windsor Castle pub, despite having satnav and despite Windsor Castle being prominently signposted everywhere near Windsor, he then changed his target but failed to crash into a parked police van and was then overpowered by two unarmed police with no difficulty. Amateur planning and execution does not equate to 'harmless' of course - even Walter Mitties can do harm.
3011:, my fault, amend as you see fit. The one thing I wouldn't approve of is to remove the reference to "religiously inpsired terrorism" - only because 'narrow' has no context without knowing what a previous, broader/looser/less exact definition was. I was thinking of adding a phrase or two anyway, since they also say jihadist terrorism seeks to impose Islamic law, which it prefers to liberal western govt. It's mildly off-topic, but I don't see what this newer definition would exclude - territorial struggles 31: 3139: 1867: 3071:, the footnote is: "Sedgwick, M., ‘Jihadism, Narrow and Wide: The Dangers of Loose Use of an Important Term’, Perspectives on Terrorism, Vol. 9, No 2, 2015, p. 34-41." So they are probably referring to a 'narrow' definition referred to in that publication. I can still only guess at what might be excluded in the narrow definition! 2578:"Local chief public prosecutor Rutger Jeuken said that early indications suggested a terror attack. “The first interpretation of what happened according to witness statements and the evidence we have found suggest a terrorist motive, although we cannot rule out other motives,” he said in a press conference in the evening. 2231:
This article should say that there was a conviction for terrorist offences and that the individual was cleared for the Buckingham Palace attack by deceiving the jury. You described the Buckingham Palace attack as "comic relief" in your other post which I linked. Who is Wallter Mitty? Was Walter Mitty
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the questions concerns all the sections that were used to track antiterror alerts and how the archiving bot interferes with them. Also there's a question on how to resolve the situation. If you need further clarification on what the questions are, please ask again and I will explain in greater detail
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if you wish to contribute to adding to the Plots section in this article without your contributions being immediately reverted by the patrollers of this article, I would instead suggest this: find terror plots where there have already been court convictions. If you know many languages, that is a good
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Well, there's pretty much always going to be some kind of a delay. That's just the nature of these kinds of criminal investigations; getting it right takes time, even when it seems clear-cut from the start. We could add a note to that effect to explain why events don't show up in the list immediately
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The attack in Manchester seems to be Islamist in motive, judging by the words of the attacker himself. It seems at this point to be strikingly similar to the Leytonstone attack in 2015. We're yet to see but if he is deemed mentally ill then in the same way as the aforementioned attack it would appear
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Having a time-based archive mechanism is not useful for antiterror trials which no one knows how long they will take to conclude. Keeping track of events in the archive defeats the purpose of tracking events which are meant to not be forgotten, because in the archive they run increased risk of being
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In the former case, we wait until we have a proper source to attribute the classification of the attack as an Islamic terrorist event to (if one does not turn up before, it is likely to be in the next Europol TE-SAT report). In the latter, the attacker was convicted of two counts of attempted murder
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I don't agree with TD about this as I don't see why an alleged plot fails BLPCRIME, any more than the linked article does. So long as section title, opening para giving our inclusion criteria and each individual entry is clear that these are allegations, I don't see a problem. A bigger problem to my
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crimes. That's why perpetrators are tried and convicted in courts of law. What's important to recognise is that if a putative terrorist is convicted of murder but not of any terrorist crimes, it's libellous to refer to them as a terrorist (but not as a murderer). In the same way, we can't refer to a
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I'm not trying to suggest we need to wait for Europol when there are other sources available that would do the trick. I wait for Europol to save time hunting for sources. The sources that are available early on tend not to cut it, and keeping track of the specific events for months afterwards to see
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No one has ever suggested that anyone wait for Europol AFAIK. Since this section is about Reading, perhaps you could let us know why you imagine Le Figaro is in a better position to assess the motives of the accused than the police who have actually been interrogating him and all his associates! Oh
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is truly terrible IMO. It repeats many accusations made in court as fact in WP:VOICE. A guilty verdict means that a jury has found the case proven on the balance of the evidence it heard. It does not mean that all/any specific evidence offered in court is true - just as an innocent verdict does not
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I'm on my way out, but ... why would we mention Buck Pal at all? What is the normal practice with a previous 'not guilty' verdict, for non-terrorist offences? How can one use 'attack' (of BuckPal incident), if a court decided there was no attack? FWIW, I always felt that the accused went to Windsor
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I don't see any reason to unarchive inactive talk page sections in order to keep track of events when it is in principle no more difficult to keep track of those events in the archives. It would mainly add a bunch of clutter to the talk page. However, you can always do it yourself if it's important
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TD, these are more than mere crimes, that's why France has deployed 10 000 troops on the streets. It is not in any way a reasonable argument to say that "this is crime just like any other", that's trivialising hundreds of dead and a four-digit number of wounded. If a person is presumed innocent, it
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AFAIK, Europol simply compiles info provided by national police - it does not do what we here would call OR. Therefore - in most instances - national police/statutary authority have already spoken about what they consider the nature/motivation of an event to be. Occasionally an event 'falls through
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As long as there is no further discussion beyond the initial "this is something that might be interesting later" post, it's more of a link repository for future use than a talk page discussion. One such section doesn't constitute talk page clutter, but thirty surely does. It's trivial to unarchive
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Because I know it's coming and will be useful to the article once it does. In general, most of the sources that are easily located do not suffice when it comes to the inclusion criteria (that the event be described as Islamic/Islamist/Jihadist terrorism by an official source), but the TE-SAT does.
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My main point is that the source simply doesn't come anywhere near to supporting the text - but also why does the text refer to 'German authorities', when what is meant is the German internal intelligence service, and why is no indication given as to the context in which the intel sevice made this
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No, I actually didn't say one form of data is better than the other. I said the data itself is better. I think it's self-evident that more in-depth information is available to us when it comes to the attacks than the plots. Efforts to organize the plots section aren't being resisted, other people
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Why should it say that? If he boasted down the pub that he was King-Kong would we report that as fact? If the authorities say Buck Pal was Is Ter we record the fact, if they don't we don't - simple as that. People who are cleared by a jury are cleared by a jury, it isn't up to WP editors to 'know
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I don't see any reason for deviating from normal guidelines - if police explicitly say Buck Pal was IT, so do we, otherwise not. I note that the Indy records him as 'slashing police officers' - the coverage at the time spoke of him "reaching for a sword in the passenger seat well". The guy always
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from the article citing "confirmation" criteria, but did not monitor the event for further development to re-add the material. Another similar example is the Utrecht shooting by another user, bottom of the talk page. TompaDompa, could you monitor the events you delete so you can re-add them? That
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The problem here is that this does not say that this refers to all previous editions of the TE-SAT, and indeed Europol has used the term "jihadist terrorism" since the 2016 report (2015 events). They haven't used the term "religiously inspired terrorism" since the 2015 report (2014 events). It's
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I'm not quite sure what the question is, but I'll try to answer. The archiving works the same way it did before the page move (it was intended to work that way afterwards too, but it was broken), with automatic archiving of sections with no replies in a certain amount of time. There are several
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Police are now investigating whether Hosni, who had dual Tunisian and Italian citizenship, had links to terrorist organizations. Authorities cautioned that they were not prepared to classify the incident as terrorism, but said there were several videos devoted to "Islamic State" (IS) terrorist
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It would seem that since you have a lot of time to dedicate towards this talk page, that you are in a good position to help out with this simple task. Sources are generally publicly available and you have no lesser degree of access than anyone else. Also, Knowledge is a collaborative effort so
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do not add incidents until UK police or a UK legal authority (Home secretary or similar), or similar authority says it's Islamic/Islamist/Jihadist terrorism. Historically, editor's adding events to this list on the basis of editor's own assessment or press speculation has resulted in too many
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Ok, I've been thinking to have an "Event tracking" section on the talk page where events can be tracked in subsections. A section can be moved to a top-level section when the event has been moved to the article, or found to not be I-T. How does unarchiving work? Is there a manual page for the
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sources do suffice if they refer to the official view by authorities or the motivations stated by the attacker/organization. These may be available as soon as the trial has concluded in the attacked country, or as soon as officals/authorities release public statements. Also note that security
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Die Zahl gewaltbereiter Islamisten ist nach Erkenntnissen der Sicherheitsbehörden auf ein neues Rekordhoch gestiegen. Verfassungsschutz warnt: Radikale Gruppen bekommen immer mehr Zulauf//Die Zahl der radikal-islamischen Salafisten in Deutschland ist auf einen neuen Rekordwert gestiegen. Nach
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to claim that the change in definition happened this year when the source does not explicitly say as much, and I'm also pretty sure it's inaccurate. For the record, the TE-SAT used "islamist terrorism" from the 2007 report (2006 events) to the 2011 report (2010 events), "religiously inspired
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I thought that it was fairly self-evident that this was a personal observation, not something which I intended to insert in the article, therefore no cite was necessary. But since you ask, Exeter itself IMO was pretty amateur - no serious org puts its faith in somebody with severe learning
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A cab driver who drives all the way to Windsor, with satnav, and can't find Windsor Castle is pretty much the height of ineptitude - he may also of course have had malicious intent, probably did in fact IMO, but for whatever reason, a jury found him not guilty and you want to negate that.
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why? Sources have been available for a while on this attack now. There's no guarantee that Europol will mention this attack specifically. Most attacks are only counted, not described. There's no requirement that only attacks mentioned in Europol reports can be added to this article.
739:(at least not with its current scope). If a country-specific pattern or trend applies to the entire region, then the latter is what should be on this article. If it doesn't, it doesn't belong here at all (except in certain select cases, such as when a country is the sole exception). 724:
It's not outside of the scope, but it is kind of a poor fit. I see both a specific issue with this content and a general issue with this type of content. The specific issue is that the information itself (almost all known terrorist networks and individuals in Germany have links to
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Die Mehrzahl der Salafisten in Deutschland sind keine Terroristen, sondern politische Salafisten. Andererseits sind fast alle in Deutschland bisher identifizierten terroristischen Netzwerkstrukturen und Einzelpersonen salafistisch geprägt bzw. haben sich im salafistischen Milieu
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now be afraid of offending un-named muslim police organisations - according to the headline in a Times opinion piece. My strong suspicion is that Reading will turn out to be wholly, or partly Islamist, but no one can possibly assess that without access to the accused and the
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mean the accused's mother, or some other witness, describing what a nice, well-behaved-boy the accused is suddenly becomes objective truth. If I were feeling more motivated iro this topic area, I would attempt clean-up, but the focus of my attention is elsewhere at present.
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Yesterday three people were killed and five were wounded because of a 'shooting' in a tram in Utrecht, the Netherlands. It's higly likely that the attacker had a jihadist motive. The note he left in his getaway car stated that he had done it in the name of allah
2416:, because the same rules should apply here. If a previously not guilty person is subsequently alleged to have boasted of having fooled the court to an undercover police source, does that negate the previous verdict? That is the implication of your post above: 2062:, which events in the archive are you tracking? Now that you say it's easy to do, I'm interested to know so we can cooperate on those. Myself, I can easily see a reason: on the talk page, editors can help each other keep track of events which is important 1563:
If it needs an "alleged" caveat, it doesn't belong. If we include an event in a list of Islamic terrorist plots, we are the ones classifying the event as Islamic terrorism. Terrorism is a legal concept, and terrorist acts (including plots) are crimes. Per
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It seems the individual who attacked police officers outside Buckingham palace with a sword in 2017 and who pleaded that he was depressed to evade a terrorist conviction was released and has been arrested and convicted. There's a standalone article:
2066:. It is better if people can collaborate on keeping track of events, rather than hide away important events on sandbox pages or in the archives, where such collaboration is very unlikely to happen. It is unfortunate if event-tracking is derided as 2420:
That is the worst kind of WP:OR IMO, interpreting evidence offered in a court to reach a conclusion which neither the court nor RS came to. That he is alleged to have boasted thus is a matter of record, that he actually did so is your own opinion
735:, specifically? The conceit is that it is in some way meaningful to look at the region of Europe as a singular entity. Otherwise, it's just an arbitrary collection of disparate topics, and if that's the case this article does not have a valid 2829:
A man stabbed an Italian soldier in the neck and in the back with a pair of scissors. He was arrested after the stabbing, which was described as a terrorist attack linked to Islamic extremism. The soldier survived the attack.
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does only state that the attacker "most likely didnt have an islamist motive" - and that source is still the best we have as of today. I would remove the Truck-ramming in Limburg from the list until further notice.
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I don't see any advantage and see some disadvantage - real attacks have more significance than plots IMO, some of which are amateur in the extreme and many have elements which are inherently unknowable/speculative.
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Chowdhury has bragged about deliberately deceiving the jury and that the Buckingham Palace attack was really a terrorist attack. What do you think, should the Buckingham Palace attack be re-inserted to the list?
2972:, which releases the annual EU Terrorism Situation and Trend report (TE-SAT), started using a narrow definition of jihadist terrorism in its 2020 report from when it defined jihadism as a violent sub-current of 2348:
and later Buck Pal with the intention to perpetrate some kind of offence, but a mixture of ineptitude and lack of resolve turned it into a very damp fizz. There were people like that during the Irish 'troubles'.
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In sum, the term jihadism refers to a violent ideology exploiting traditional Islamic concepts. It is preferable to the more vague term ‘religiously inspired terrorism’ used in previous editions of the TE-SAT.
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Great, so when will the Europol report come out, next week, next month, next year? Clearly the man pledging allegiance to ISIL is not enough, so I am afraid we will need a ETA on the Europol report TompaDumpa.
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Ok Pincrete I hope you will monitor this event for future developments. Could you also go through the other incidents on the talk page that may have been updated since and add them to the article? Thanks.
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violation. Knowledge's editors must not do the court's job of determining whether the suspects are guilty and of what, and deciding on our own that the event was a terrorist plot would be doing precisely
1197:, since that's the case, I would kindly ask you to stop telling other interested editors that we should wait for Europol, since any official police report does the trick. It would seem that neither you 1984:
to prevent automatic archiving. Another is to adjust the amount of time that needs to pass before sections are archived. A third is to keep track of events in the archives instead of on the talk page.
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Well of course they do, since that's an annual report. Knowledge is not released annually, so that's no reason for us to do the same. In what way would grouping the plots by year improve the article?
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Under the Terrorist plots section, the third last item, change "31 April 2018" in the description to "30 April 2018". As the arrest happened that date, and also because 31 April is not a real date.
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We need explicit confirmation that the incident was both terrorist and Islamist. At the moment the former is simply the main line of inquiry, the latter is speculation. That may change of course.
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I know it might seem odd that the attacker pledging allegiance to ISIL is not enough for us to classify it as Islamic terrorism, but that's how Knowledge works. Knowledge has a policy against
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section is gone, but the trial and the discussion hasn't been concluded. The archiving mechanism, in its current form, makes it difficult to use the talk page to track events & trials.
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A man from Malmö is being charged with planning a terror attack in Copenhagen. He has earlier been charged with an arson attack against a shia mosque but was acquitted. You're welcome.
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The source used says "For the first time more than 10,000 Salafists in Germany" It then goes on to describe Salafism as highly conservative and often linked to militancy and Islamism -
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I'll work on it, but the problem is that this kind of mop-up operation shouldn't even have to happen, ever. The entries shouldn't have been added without sources in the first place.
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Well, it's a yearly report that for the last four years has been released in June or July (though it has previously been released as early as April), so most likely in a few months.
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As is shown above, even using official publications by the Dutch secret service AIVD was resisted in the discussion about the Utrecht attack. Next there will be arguments that you
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for pointing out the Cologne attack article, I fixed some issues with that article even though it is kind of irrelevant to the topic of this section, the Limburg truck ramming per
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are available. Instead it is suggested that we must wait for Europol when this is not at all the case. There is already a note saying the list is incomplete, that should suffice.
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A man who was previously cleared of terrorist charges relating to a 2017 sword attack outside Buckingham palace was convicted on of planning terrorist attacks after his release.
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If suspects have been arrested for the event, but not convicted of terrorist crimes, we cannot take it upon ourselves to classify the event as an Islamic terrorist plot. That is
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Perhaps the additions to the plot section was slightly less than a halfway effort, but still more constructive than mere tag & delete campaigns, those are minuscule efforts.
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this one is still ongoing, a first-level conviction has been secured by the prosecutors but the case is being appealed to the the next level (landsret). You're welcome.
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A 26-year-old man used a four-foot sword to slash London police officers near Buckingham Palace in an attack Scotland Yard said is being investigated as a terrorist act.
3879:, the convention on this page has been that the legal authority of the relevant country should make that judgement. Occasionally there have been instances when Europol 777: 2045:
Another possibility (which I have done on other articles sometimes), is to create a sandbox-y 'keeping track' page, to use as a 'public notepad', and link from here.
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have the time to look for sources other. I would then ask the both of you to spend less time on this talk page and redistribute that effort towards source-hunting.
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Informationen von FOCUS Online zählt das Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV) aktuell mehr als 10.000 Anhänger dieser besonders konservativen Auslegung des Islam.
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Terrorism is the deliberate killing of innocent people, at random, in order to spread fear through a whole population and force the hand of its political leaders.
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police/agencies of individual countries like MI5, DGSI or BfV may release official statements a lot quicker than Europol and these are more useful than Europol.
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additions that turned out to be false. I imagine that the motive for Reading may well ultimately turn out to be Islamist - but that is not for us to decide.
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ps, please do not 'ping' me here unless there is some urgent need. This article is on my watchlist - so I can see whether I can add anything to discussion.
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https://www.linternaute.com/actualite/societe/2310890-attaque-a-la-prefecture-de-police-de-paris-la-piste-de-l-attentat-resurgit-michael-harpon-radicalise/
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The Terrorist plot section could be restructured, so that they are instead grouped by year. Each year would then have a "Attacks" and "Plots" subsection.
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According to this source terrorism laws are involved, but since they do not write which kind of terrorism it is fairly certain that it could be jihadism.
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So is this page dead then..? If we can't add anything new because it's offensive to use specific terminology, we can never update with any new attacks.
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terrorism" from the 2012 report (2011 events) to the 2015 report (2014 events), and has used "jihadist terrorism" since the 2016 report (2015 events).
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just disagree with you about whether a specific change would be an improvement. What you're proposing would indeed remove the plots section entirely.
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The general issue with country-specific info is one that ties into the issue with this article's scope – why is this article about Islamic terrorism
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another source claims that most/nearly all German Islamist terrorist groups have a greater or lesser degree of linkage to Salafist groups or ideas
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I don't see any problems ... it's all a bit confusing them changing their terminology, but their final definition is quite clear and explicit. I
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Frankly no! I don't always have the time, don't necessarily have access to apt sources and, besides, that isn't how things get done around here.
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The problem isn't that the events aren't added to the list as soon as they occur, the problem is that events aren't added to the list as soon as
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seems to have been more Walter Mitty than O bin L. That doesn't mean that he isn't a danger of course - nor that police could/should ignore him.
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says this topic is controversial? In what way is it controversial? If you have a source for that, it could be used to add info to the article.
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Europol reports, while reliable, are not quite so useful if they are released up to 7 months late and incomplete in their listing of attacks.
585:"German authorities estimated that there were more than 10,000 militant salafists in the country." is simply not supported by the source (s). 2114:
I don't know if there's a better way of doing it, but when I unarchive things I just cut and paste from the archive to the active talk page.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/mohiussunnath-chowdhury-terror-attack-trial-buckingham-palace-sword-prison-release-a9322346.html
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TompaDompa & Pincrete, neither of you have suggested what the article should say. What do you think it should say on the conviction?
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It is debated whether the killer who stabbed four police officers in France was radicalized. Let's keep an eye on that for the article.
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mind is including original arrests of trivial incidents, but not then updating with releases/convictions - which used to be the case.
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Any idea why this is omitted and why the article of the incident itself doesn't mention the ideological motivation behind the attack?
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Nobody is "deciding on our own", that's a straw man. The last few discussions have been supported by sources which you dispute. How
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Indeed, sources. What did your own search for sources turn up, I wonder? This one didn't take me long to find: Petter Nesser at the
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The benefit is of course that the plots are grouped by year, which they currently aren't. That's a problem in the current format.
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hi, will you take up the task to monitor this event for further developments? You did refer to future changes in your last post.
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Arrests have been made in Frankfurt for individuals suspected of a Mumbai-style attack. Saving source here for later research.
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that, say, the Madrid train bombings, the Charlie Hebdo attacks or the Mumbai-style attacks in Paris are terrorism? Is there a
3594:. Back on topic, I also don't see any advantage but I do see disadvantages. We have way better data on attacks than on plots. 3358:
Scrolled a bit aggressively there, so the top option was hidden from view. I imagined the lower one. Sorry for the confusion.
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when applicable) are official Knowledge policies, not mere suggestions. Sourced additions are a completely different matter.
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wait for Europol to release a report next year. Hilariously, material about the bom bombings in France perpetrated by the
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Found sources for the appeal and added the plot to the article. Good work everybody for helping out on the source search.
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I'm neutral on this one, but note that the CTC source throughout refers to an 'alleged' plot. If included, so should we.
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http://www.gp.se/nyheter/v%C3%A4rlden/man-fr%C3%A5n-malm%C3%B6-inf%C3%B6r-r%C3%A4tta-i-danskt-terrorm%C3%A5l-1.12618545
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We obviously can't use "editor such-and-such deemed this to be Islamic terrorism based on reasons X, Y, and Z" as our
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Don't understand. Surely a plot is something which did not result in an attack. Is what is meant 'intended attacks'?
1816:. The Cologne attack article could use some work though, it categorises the perpetrator as a casualty of the attack. 990:. By including the attack in a list of Islamic terrorist attacks, we are in practice calling it Islamic terrorism in 2778:
so as to facilitate re-adding it upon further information being available, but since that didn't keep it from being
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so as to facilitate re-adding it upon further information being available, but since that didn't keep it from being
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It keeps information for each year in one place. For what reason do you oppose having information grouped by year?
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Truck ramming in Limburg, Germany, on 7 Oct 2019. Motive was unclear at time of writing of Deutsche Welle article:
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For this specific context, for a controversy to exist, there has to be a dispute. Which instutions or experts have
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TompaDompa, which data do you have on plots? I only ask since you say one form of data is better than the other.
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Yes, TompaDompa has the idea. Great visualization, I'm ashamed that I didn't think of displaying it like that.
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which source describes the attack as "damp fizz"? Which sources makes the connection between this attack and
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section has been strongly opposed on this talk page and now efforts to organize it are being resisted too."
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section has been strongly opposed on this talk page and now efforts to organize it are being resisted too.
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https://www.france24.com/fr/20190923-paris-tentative-attentat-notre-dame-proces-femmes-jihadisme-terrorisme
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I don't see what the benefit would be, and I think it would be better to keep it the way it currently is.
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until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.
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controversy about Islamic terrorism in Europe about whether it is, indeed, terrorism or something else?
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killing as "murder" if the perpetrator stands accused of manslaughter, because murder is a legal term.
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Why is the article extended protected? I checked the protection log but did not get a clear answer?
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is that we only use official sources for determining whether a specific attack should be included.
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Die Mehrzahl der Salafisten in Deutschland sind keine Terroristen, sondern politische Salafisten.
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I think that it is still widely used, but in this instance a simpler construction does the job.
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construction when a more concise one is available? These are summaries of key info after all.
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to be a case of Islamist terrorism carried out by an individual with mental health problems.
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have made partial sense of their use of 'narrow' .... the sentence has a footnote number 22
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It's very strange that more effort is expended on this talk page than the article itself.
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the article dismisses a terror-background, although the given source for that statement
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The notion that UK police avoid a term because it is offensive, is pure speculation on
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is also a policy. I won't bother to ask for diffs since we both know they don't exist.
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https://www.dw.com/en/german-authorities-investigating-stolen-truck-ramming/a-50733828
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must be used, it was more a comment as to whether the pronoun is still i common use.
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The 2019, London bridge stabbing needs to be created into a new chart. In 2018, the
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almost all terrorists and terrorist networks are strongly influenced by salafism (
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Nobody said that they are "mere" crimes or "just like any other" crime, but they
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That's a very confrontational attitude, but enWP is a collaborative effort and a
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means the name is not published. It does NOT mean that we write nothing because
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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if adequate sources emerge would take more of my time than I feel it's worth.
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Actually all of Knowledge wants sources rather than opinions by editors. The
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That's easy to answer: Europol reports group both attacks and plots by year.
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Which source says plots are amateur in nature? What is meant by "amateur"?
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violation (as well as potentially libellous) to refer to it as terrorism.
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It explains TE-SAT's use, but probably isn't relevant to this article.
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that's still more than your than your additions to the article itself.
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attribution that this was specifically Islamic terrorism (I note that
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as often happen with stabbings at major transportation hubs. In the
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If you want a source, the judge called Exeter "unsophisticated"
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by TompaDompa but let's keep it here until the trial concludes.
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