Talk:Islamic State/Archive 11

2007:, as NPOV nonsense. For instance, a government such as the British government has the option to declare themselves as "Government". This particular institution is described as the UK government but, even if it were to declare authority, for example, over all peoples descended from Germanic tribes such a reference would still be unhelpful in an encyclopaedia. While the term "Islamic State" is not in as wide usage as the term "government" I personally think that there are NPOV issues in regard to ISIL/ISIS describing themselves in this way. I also think that "organisation" fails. There are many more issues involved than just that. I think it is fine for the article to present the group as claiming the name "Islamic State" and this is exactly what the article does. 2205:"From the start, exactly what to call the extremist Islamist group that has taken over much of Syria and Iraq has been problematic. At first, many called it the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). However, due to differences over how the name should be translated from the Arabic, some (including the U.S. government) referred to them as ISIL (the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant). To make matters more complicated, the group later announced that it should simply be called the "Islamic State" – a reference to the idea that the group was breaking down state borders to form a new caliphate. A number of media groups, including The Post, the Associated Press and, eventually, the New York Times, adopted this name, while others stuck with ISIS and ISIL." 953:, where the opinion was that that sanctions list document could not be used to support a such a designation by the UN (see discussion there) editors decided that this document was not sufficient back-up. It is a sanctions list, and unlike the other formal country designation lists cited for other countries in that box. We could not find a statement of any kind by the UN, official or otherwise, saying it had designated it as a terrorist organisation - an editor on the RSN didn't believe the UN kept a designation list - the nearest to it was a handful of UN statements where it 289:

maps originate from the US military/convert/diplomatic sources. The issue of what reliable sources to use has in this conversation spanned maps up to a year old (which are ancient history). I suggest that the survey is restricted to maps in reliable sources over the last 3 months (to roll over as the months progress). The spider maps are more useful if one wishes to understand what is going on the ground (as in Syria the more detailed maps seem to intertwine the different powers in the country), but their use is unusual for showing who controls what in such conflicts. --

1642:). Also a technical point, (assume that the pair represent the box in a Google search): Searches can be done on an unique string of words for example (and only articles that contain that sting of words in that exact order will be returned), but search for will return all or the previous hits as well as many more because it is a subset of the first search, so it is necessary to qualify the search by excluding Levant using a minus sign and because "Islamic State" will also throw up traditional usage of the phrase, it is necessary to screen for that as well eg 2308:- Often the media uses "the so called Islamic State" with good reason. They claim power over all muslims worldwide. They are neither Islamic (according to most religious and government leaders - Rouhani just hammered this point in a UN speech for example) or a State (no state will recognize them, fail Montevideo test). Calling your organization something crazy does not rename the organization. For example I can't start "The Catholic Church" and expect anyone to call my creation "The Catholic Church" 31: 4736:

3. Is like naming an organization "The Government" or "Republic" or "Kingdom" with no geographical or ethnic context. It is totally illogical. 4. Many people feel that the organization is neither Islamic or a State and definately not both. 5. The vast majority of media sources qualify the term - and so should we. 6. Multiple move requests to "Islamic State" for the article have failed, yet people keep changing the text.

3355: 4208:! I did a straw poll some time ago, and it is clear the media are now calling the group "the Islamic State" (sometimes along with "ISIS/ISIL" and never "The Islamic State" except at the beginning of sentences) or "Islamic State", as in Dougweller's example above. I think there was even a Guardian article that started the sentence with "Islamic State". So as long as it can be established that it complies with 2335:(used in the article) listing the UK proscribed terrorist organisations says "The UK does not recognise ISIL’s claims of a ‘restored’ Caliphate or a new Islamic State." I wonder if this has something to do the opposition to the name? If you do a search for the term "islamic state" in that document there's 17 other groups that in one way or other described as trying to establish an Islamic state.~ 546:"If substantiated then it is certainly warranted to document any of Islamic State/..'s claims of being a jihadist group, its advocacies of jihad or anything that it actually does. Its also fair to report on interpretations of various outlets of it as being an jihadist group. However, when interpretations of Jihad vary, I don't think it right to directly label them as being jihadist." 2906:

arguments are. When a formal proposal is put forward it should include things like Google counts to establish most common name, a summary of main arguments and proposals, relevant policy and guidelines, etc.. then it needs to be advertised and bring in as many people as possible and let it run for 3 weeks or more. If no consensus then we repeat and escalate. --

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meaning is simple, in that it implies a "a specific group of people called 'The Beetles', as opposed to beetles generally". With regard to the Islamic State, this is not the case. It already conveys the meaning that it is a specific group of people (state, organisation) through capitalisation of the word "state", which differentiates it from

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the Islamic State" placed more prominently in the TOC - though how that can be done without upsetting the flow of the article I can't see at the moment. Perhaps worked into the "Names" section, which is right at the beginning? The most important thing is that whatever is said about this must be said neutrally, or it will flout

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No I think the media is shortening a long name they don't understand to save ink. That and pure laziness. And like another editor suggested, maybe protect their reporters from being separated from their heads. If this group called itself "The Catholic Church" and the leader the "Pope" would Knowledge

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All of the awkward politicking of Western politicos aside, how much longer are we going to avoid calling the Islamic State the Islamic State? As already demonstrated, the mainstream Western media has taken to acknowledging IS as the Islamic State or the "so-called Islamic State". There is, as of now,

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The United Nations has recently been added to the information box in section 3 as an organisation which has designated ISIL/ISIS as a terrorist organization. In August this year there was long discussion on the Talk page and elsewhere about whether editors could use the same sanctions list document

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I have opened a new section called "Criticism of the Islamic State", as it seemed time for one after all the recent outspoken criticisms from various governments and the Muslim world. I have moved into it some text from other parts of the article. Please feel free to change the title or move it to

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Do we include a discussion of the American group currently being organized with female warriors to travel through Syria and Iraq and kill as many ISIL members as possible. The reason for the women warriors is to insure that the executed ISIL members will not receive any of the benefits of martyrdom

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Yes, they can coexist when one is lowercase letters and the other majuscule letters. Sinon for me even if they have removed "Iraq and the Levant" from their name, they are still operating in Iraq and the Levant as before, so when you put in parenthesis, that does not mean it's their name, but rather

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A pre-RFC makes sense, and to help you avoid running in circles as before, I will state that I will oppose what you proposed just now. In my opinion, this would be redundant and wrong as ISIL already removed "Iraq and Levant" from their name, and "Iraq and Syria" was a bad translation, and a common

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you will see the evolution. Each resolution is very clear that the listed people and orgs are terrorists. For example 1526 (under which AL-QAIDA IN IRAQ got added) says "participated in the financing, planning, facilitating and preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or in supporting terrorist

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I think it would be a good idea not refer to them in the article (except in the Lead) as "Islamic State" but simply as "IS". That would be a good way of dealing with the problem of WP seeming to endorse the establishment of the caliphate and an Islamic state. Perhaps the words caliphate and caliph

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Are you saying there should be a section in the article where criticisms like this can be dealt with? I can see an argument for it. There perhaps should be a new section dealing with the questions now being raised everywhere about the legitimacy and actions of the new caliphate. I thought you were

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I think there has to be a limit to how much this article (as opposed to the media) qualifies its descriptions, "so-called Islamic State", "caliph" and "caliphate" used in inverted commas, "jihadist" now being questioned, "which previously called itself the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" - the

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I put a new sentence, the last in the lead, to cover it, immediately after the sentence about the group renaming itself. It is factual, not POV, and fits with the fact they picked a new name. Their chosen name is a declaration of war on the rest of the muslim world, not some trivial thing Knowledge

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The edits to restore any doubt about the applicability of the name "Islamic State" are not constructive. Calling an organization "Islamic State" is incredibly inappropriate: 1. Very offensive to the vast majority of Muslims world wide 2. Not the name used by any known State actor (see list above)

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GreenC: When you say the "group", do you mean ISIS? If so, then a friendly correction: ISIS now call themselves "the Islamic State" with the "the". Still, I am not sure what works in an RFC, is it what ISIS call themselves? is it "facts" as you correctly pointed out? or is it consensus?... Based

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The name "Islamic State" seems to be gaining favour in the media, although ISIS and ISIL are still being used. Perhaps some statistics could found showing the name usage now. (This was done in earlier discussions and media name usage will probably have changed again since the last time this topic

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Knowledge does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. If the name of a person,

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I was hoping just to ask the question regarding inclusion. (Wariness by a number of editors to the use of "Islamic State" is, to some extent, validated by recent criticisms and disputes over the use of the short form of the name. I also predict that there may be criticisms of associations between

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that this article should be moved from C to B class and considered for Good Article or even Feature Article nomination. There's been a lot of hard work, and even some innovations on how to present so much information. I would also like to propose reusing and revamping the Leadership table now in at

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I did voice misgivings about the position of the new section, partly for that reason. I think a sentence or two in the Lead about the name dispute and dispute over the legitimacy of the Islamic State/caliphate (which is really what the name dispute is about) and more detail on it in "Criticism of

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The only parallel examples of this that I can think of is the application of Semitic terminology to the Jewish subsection of Semitic peoples within Anti-Semitic terminologies and the use of American terminologies to citizens of the United States. I have long disputed the validity, helpfulness and

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kind of works but it's non-standard because the group doesn't use "The" and most sources don't use "The" (in capital proper-noun form). See earlier comment above about micro-nation names on Knowledge, we don't discriminate against a state just because it's not formally recognized or happens to do

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This one is going to be controversial and difficult to reach consensus. There are some passionate voters and this is a high-profile article. I'm prepared for a few weeks of RfCs and the like it won't be solved anytime soon. The first thing is some discussion on a good starting point and where the

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Related reasoning to this is presented in content by Muslim scholars presented below. The earlier form of the lead presented the group, in Knowledge's voice, as being jihadist and, two sentences later, quotes the UN and media in calling them a terrorist group. Many readers may well have stopped

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I think that the style of map is a POV issue. Traditionally states have their territory marked by the territory they have formal control whether or not they occupy it. For example Canada or Australia would look very different if the spider type maps were used. So I suspect that the use of spider

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earlier, I wasn't sure what was finally stopping the change to reflect uninhabited areas. I raise it again now because with the bombing campaign, maps of the ISIS areas have been widespread in the media. They are almost always in the spider web style and not showing the large uninhabited areas as

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also relies on the "the" to convey meaning - It's their official name, so this is what they wanted to convey to people. However, Practically speaking to be specific as to what should be done with the title of the article, I think we all exhausted all arguments here, so I think those two options

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be made for at least three months from the date of this close as it may be clearer in the new year what if anything is the common name, because enough time has been spent discussing the naming issue in the last month in which there has been no consensus to move, while consensus can change, it is

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The definite article with respect to the "Islamic State" doesn't convey any meaning whatsoever. It is only there as a function of the English language, which requires that nouns have articles. In reference to such a thing as "The Beetles", the "the" conveys meaning that "Beetles" does not. This

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where you will find all the data in supplied links. UN Security Council designated Bin Laden and associates as terrorists in RESOLUTION 1267 (1999) and established a Committee consisting of all Security Council members (point 6 in Resolution 1267 (1999)). In accordance with that resolution and

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I was thinking that as well, that it could be covered in a subsection of the "Names" section. However, it would seem a bit odd to have all that precede the history of the group and the rest, as this controversy over the name is comparatively recent. Perhaps as I said there should be a section

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The so called spider web maps you cite merely connect the various cities together with lines. They do not reflect the fact that ISIS controls and operates in the various desert areas we have coloured in on the map. They actually have controlled many of these areas prior to their major offensive

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for work on this. Digression: I view the content with referral to governmental and religious sources to have a far higher moral standing than the actions of groups such as reuters that for some inexplicable reason seem to have chosen to use the term "Islamic State" in virtual exclusion to all

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I could go on, but we need to look at the clear Security Council Resolutions calling these people terrorists and authorizes the maintenance of the list referenced. It can't be any more clear that the UN Security Council has designated everyone and every organization on the list as terrorists.

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This has been discussed before, but here is my thoughts. Is it fair to show empty desert 100% surrounded by ISIL controlled roads and towns as controlled by the Govt when there are likely no Govt troops there? Cause that is exactly what the spider web maps suggest. No other map I've ever seen

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dropping the definite article. Nonsense about Arabic language trivialities isn't helpful here. This encyclopaedia is written in English, and it would be very unusual to have a capitalised "the" in this context. Most media sources use "Islamic State" without the definite article capitalised.

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the organisation and jihad. Certainly, if a cite-worthy content is found then I agree that associations between the group and jihad might be criticised under "Ideology and belief" so on this point I agree). Can we please leave Jihad related discussion for the section on

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A lot of people use ISIS which apparently stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria in the English language, so that can also be argued to be the "common name". However, I am more neutral regarding this. Also keep in mind that this group changes their name quite a lot.

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But the article in Arabic wikipedia is: "الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام" - "The Islamic State in...", Whereas in English "United States" in English wikipedia is without "the". So if you look each to its original language you can tell how it is titled on wikipedia.

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is particularly inappropriate - I would expect some evidence and generally acceptance of decent from the prophet before that title gets applied. I think we need to emphasize the "so called" type qualifiers and the critics and stick to acronyms to give balance to ISIL

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no organization anywhere in the world calling itself either ISIS or ISIL. No such entity exists. Both monikers are sustained by people in the West who don't want to entangle themselves with the burden of fighting such an inconveniently declared entity. In light of

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No clear consensus on a new article title has emerged during this conversion and two RMs have been proposed since this discussion was started. Some of the suggestions indicate that at lease some of those taking part in this discussion have not read the relevant

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An editor has already removed the subsections I put in, "From the Muslim community" and "From the non-Muslim world", on the grounds that this is divisive - which is fine - but it seemed only logical to me to have the criticisms under those separate headings.

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It is not merely a function of English, since this is part of their official name. Capital "Islamic State" is the one who is merely a fuction of English, which technically differs it from lower-case "Islamic state", but does not reflect the broader meaning of

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Those RSs have been quoted unnumerable times in previous Talk page discussions on the group's common name. It was agreed they all use "Islamic State", but in conjunction with "ISIS". Much Talk page discussion now is mere repetition of past discussions.

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acts" "Reiterating its condemnation of the Al-Qaida network and other associated terrorist groups for ongoing and multiple criminal terrorist acts..." For some reason the UN site does not support linking to specific resolutions, I'll fix the article link.

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Putting this important information that no nation recognizes the name they want to use deep down in the article is not NPOV, it is hiding the facts. It belongs in the Lead where I inserted it before, perhaps with more detail in a section of the article.

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Director has a point but I agree with GreenC. There was an American that recently declared himself King of the Kingdom of North Sudan by placing a flag over Bir Tawil. Does that make his kingdom an unrecognized kingdom? Of course not. IS is no different.

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since the Islamic State was declared at the end of June. As the same points tend to get repeated in these discussions, perhaps it would be an idea for editors to have a look at them before responding so that they are not gone over too much again.

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Current criticism and/or disputes relate specifically to the use of the name "Islamic State". I think that this could fit following Index of names and History of names perhaps under "Disputes regarding use of names". Other suggestions welcomed.

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Moon's comments reflect my view that ISIL is not islamic and not a state. Mind you they are more islamic than any Christian and more a state than most rebel groups, but dressing up like Santa and giving gifts does not make you Santa. The use of

2284:- The article's title should not be "Islamic State" at all because it holds pejorative connotations against muslims and legitimate Islamic states. Possible names include Al-Baghdadi Caliphate Movement or some other more representative title. 1035:

are criminal and unjustifiable regardless of their motivations, whenever and by whomsoever committed, and reiterating its unequivocal condemnation of Al-Qaida and other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with it, for

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I believe that, in the first case, the main reason why the "of America" has fallen out of currency is that the people of the United States only constitute about a third of the population of the Americas. In the second case reference is made,

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which are self-declared Empires, Duchys, Republics etc... not recognized by anyone. Or, is ISIS so evil that we have to go out of our way to make sure everyone knows Knowledge doesn't support it while more benign self-declared states like

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is a very good commentary on the name problem that is troubling not only WP editors but Western media generally. It is not very long. It isn't mentioned there, but apparently even the BBC are dithering about what to call this group now!

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issues also mentions that "such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural". The numbers clearly support "Islamic State" but I am not convinced that "(Organisation)" provides a significantly more natural description than

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The name of the organization is (الدولة الإسلامية‎) ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah not (دولة الإسلامية) Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah but the name of the Nusra Front is (جبهة النصرة) Jabhat an-Nuṣrah not ad-Jabhat an-Nuṣrah (الجبه النصرة). Regards.

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I've not heard that yet (but I am a native english speaker and it might sound different to your ears). World leaders are saying ISIL almost exclusively pronounced 'eye sole' or pronounced out 'eye es eye el'. But you gotta see this

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to them as a terrorist organisation, which it not the same thing. Hence the reason why the wording about the UN in the Lead appears as it does. Anyone who wishes to respond to this please look first at the discussion on the RSN.

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For future reference, "Stats for the month" are useless as they are constructed in the way there were below. For a start, raw counting of Google hits is not acceptable measure -- it is usage in reliable sources that mattet (see

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Once a criticisms section is started, it will be easier to see where to put it and whether even a criticisms section will need to be broken up. I foresee that some of it would be better in "Ideology and beliefs", for example.

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I would not agree with the concept that the Islamic State is an "organization", as it is such only to the extent of any other unrecognized state. The Islamic State is, in fact, an unrecognized political entity. I would suggest

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Choosing the most appropriate name has proved very tricky for all sorts of reasons and there has never been real consensus. Have you tried looking at those links of earlier discussions! Good to get your view registered.

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Hello. I said that the group still claims Iraq and Syria but changed its name. Parentheses must show areas "of the group operation. Otherwise, if you're for, I agree to Islamic State not to be confused with Islamic state.

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Er, you just voted for "The Islamic State", not "Islamic State". I agree that sources are using "Islamic State". They are not using "The Islamic State" with a capitalised definite article. See the other section below.

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I'm still wondering about the possible placement of a criticisms section. Looking at the TOC I was wondering if this section might go well next to "Propaganda and social media". At present the order of sections goes:

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It is still too early to decide on a name change, especially as there is growing pressure to split the article into two (see discussion at #94 here), one of which would have to be called "the Islamic state/State".

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Would editors please read the previous discussions on the Talk page about what this article should be called? The same points are being repeated over and over again. Dougweller has referred more than once to

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One thing to consider. ISIS is a more appealing sound in speech than ISIL or just IS as it is easily recognized and understood. In text, it also looks better than IS. So expect ISIS to be used for a long time.

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is essential for the maintenance of international peace and security, Deploring the fact that the Taliban continues to provide safe haven to Usama bin Laden and to allow him and others associated with him to

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move to Islamic State. This article is the primary meaning of Islamic State so disambiguation is unnecessary, the majority of news sources are using Islamic State, and Islamic State is the official name.

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Please remove Slovenia from list of countries providing weapons. Slovenia is not helping by military means. It was listed on the list of countries in coalition against IS without even being informed.

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Hello. This is not enough because when you have homonyms, they are called in the same way by sources and the type of government is called Islamic State. We can name this article The Islamic State. --

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On the use of "jihadist", I agree with earlier comments, fine to use in the Lead as it is a common term for groups of this sort. Objections can be dealt with elsewhere in the article, as I said. --

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I agree about the specific focus of the sub-topic. 'Objections to "Islamic State"' or similar in names? A section following History perhaps in conjunction with 'Designation as a terrorist group'?

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I did a image search without knowing what the quantifiable answer would be - and got a clear one. I just tried with ISIS and IS got the same general results. Lots of big name RS using block maps -

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since it is still an organization. Moreover, one can also create an article for the caliphate but that's another discussion does not address at this time, to complete this discussion. Regards. --

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Hello there. Before changing the title is now out of fashion, I think we should discuss the new title to offer demand renaming. When we have reached a consensus, the application will be made. --

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From some of the other comments it is clear that this is considered to be a non-NPOV issue as well, so I suggest that if this is to be raised in future that the editor raising it has a look at

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The result of the move request was: No consensus for the move, I think that Labattblueboy's arguments are the most persuasive, followed by P123ct1's. The the other opposes are not base on the

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No, important as the topic is, I don't think it should be given as much prominence as that. There are more important things about the group, evidenced by the new sections sequence, I think.--

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There are a lot of "Islamic voices" who have something to on the matter, including the group in question. Crowd sourced political/ideological statements have no weight as reliable sources.

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group, object, or other article topic changes, then more weight should be given to the name used in reliable sources published after the name change than in those before the change

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Have you ever looked at the Talk pages to see what other editors have said about this? This subject has been discussed many, many times since the Islamic State was proclaimed. --

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Nice idea - I cleaned the list up by sorting all the dead/capture from the likely living. Only problem with a table is we know only maybe 2 active names and little about them...

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coloured in. This gives a very different impression and we seem to be an outlier with our map. Given that the map needs to reflect RS isn't there anything that can be done?

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I don't see the trending you claim. I haven't seen much change in the last few weeks. ISIS, and to a lesser extent ISIL, seems to be used in the RS just as much as before.

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And I'm saying the previously used information is perishable and the conclusions are now wrong. The intent of political sources is not without consideration in regards to

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suggesting this, but things appear very fluid. Already I'm seeing al-Qaeda deopped from the opponants and added to the supporters, which does not seem justified just yet.

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which says "Recalling the relevant international counter-terrorism conventions and in particular the obligations of parties to those conventions to extradite or prosecute

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which would be more generic and clear for those who don't know what a Caliphate is. The definition of Caliphate is self-referential saying it is an Islamic state. --

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That was a short discussion in which no one seems to have looked at where the cited UN Security Council list came from. says the list came from this UNSC Resolution

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I just took a look at it agian, and you're right. The (Capital) and (non-capital) part confused me, so I just said "Weak support" right here. I'll change my vote.

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That doesn't really matter at all: the issue doesn't pertain in any way to naming policy.. There shouldn't be any definitive article there, its just unwarranted.

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should be put to a real vote. I wouldn't know how to open a real vote process or the procedures, and the article clearly needs a new title. Can anybody help? --

2215:. I also find the search method for concluding Islamic State as the highest hit count extremely problematic as all the contested titles contain those words-- 2107:"Islamic State" uses an Islamic terminology that is otherwise used to describe all things Islamic and applies it to a smaller subsection of Islamic people. 1123:

The editors who participated in the RSN failed to do any meaningful research, and hardly trump the UN Security Council. Let me make this really clear. Read

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Au, contraire. Trending reliable sources cite this group as the "Islamic State" as already demonstrated in this thread. As a current subject prone to both

2262:– There is already an ongoing discussion above, and this ought be closed speedily. Regardless, I do not think it is worthwhile to change the name now per 2961:

An RfC was closed today with no consensus, another RfC was started but closed because of the RfC closed today, and now we have this which is not an RfC.

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Which it is - many RS currently refer to these guys as spelled out or acronym ISIL or ISIS including the UN Security Council. See previous discussions.

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on my several years of experience on Knowledge, I believe it is consensus, even when it repeatedly ends up in "running in circles" and "no consensus".

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This has all been discussed before. As has the irrelevance of whether or not there is "politicking". We simply reflect usage for good or ill, we don't

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The majority of sources call it Islamic State, and that is what it's actually called, there's no debate on this fact. The problem remains the article

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I agree. Could the country boundaries be marked in as well? The maps in the media always show them. Essential information, I would have thought. --

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I heard English/American speakers (for example Obama and several analysts) pronounce the IS/ISIL/ISIS acronym as 'eye sa' or 'eye saw', why is that?

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Perhaps they took the view, "This is what they call themselves now. We should as well, and not get into the politics of it." Seems reasonable. --

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But "outside of ISIL maps" is exactly the point. I'm not saying which is better; the point is if the RS are representing ISIL maps this way then we

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aimed at causing the deaths of innocent civilians and other victims, destruction of property and greatly undermining stability, Reaffirming that

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That's an exception (a proper name that relies on the "the" to convey meaning), and one that doesn't apply here. Unless you'd like us to retitle

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The Islamic State is a revolutionary front. Like The Red Guard. However The Weather Underground is titled Weather Underground in wikipedia.. --

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and establish a consensus after a discussion of more than a few days. Three days ago this was "not an RfC but a pre-RfC", when did that change?

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I have mentioned the media coverage describing: "So-called Islamic State" and have queried: "where and how it may be possible to quote sources".

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suggesting a change to our use of ISIS/ISIL as many of the above sources continue to use these abbreviations rather than the more accurate IS.

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Do it without all the blogs etc and include ISIS and Islamic state. Almost all the high quality RS in recent weeks are using spider web style.

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I don't think anyone supports this variant, the section seems redundant. It wouldn't correspond to sources and the title is already taken by "

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If they changed their name then we shoud also refer to them the same. in addition, all media outlets are also already using the new name. --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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state created by the group called ISIS/ISIL. The French wikipedia has two articles and if we need to do that at some point I'd argue for

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article. You haven't given any reason why in this case there is no justification for "The". Merely stating that isn't good enough... --

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It is more complicated than that but, to give as simple an answer as I can, no, there are no such things as capital letters in Arabic.

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Lol! To quote an admin: "The beauty of Knowledge is that anyone can edit it. The tragedy of Knowledge is that anyone can edit it." --

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Previous entries here have demonstrated that drift but more importantly, without getting into Google metrics, the AP has settled on

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and is now called ISIL on the sanctions list. If you read all the Security Council Resolutions linked in the first paragraph of the

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and Al Arabiya, they are all now calling ISIS either "Islamic State" or "the Islamic State", with a few of them using the new name

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of the politicking in refusing to use IS as well as acknowledging it's correctness. These results with a couple minutes on Google.

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we can neither speak in Knowledge's voice to directly describe a "so-called Islamic State" nor can we directly declare them to be

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and included all entries from the renaming in April 2013 to the present. I also moved the other timeline entries before this to

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http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija/pahor-zgladil-nesporazum-glede-uvrstitve-slovenije-na-seznam-koalicije-drzav-proti-is.html

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subsequent resolutions, the committee created a list now called the "Al-Qaeda Sanctions list". It is a very detailed document.

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Such terminologies don't necessarily belong to individual groups and certainly not without good justification. (This is POV).

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The discussion on the RSN was lengthy. Only one of your links there works. Can you fix so we can see what those docs are? --

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While we can't speak in Knowledge's voice on these issues I am wondering where and how it may be possible to quote sources.

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Al Salam Alaikum. I don't think this is the right form to do it... But when someone does create the correct request, I will

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there is no sustainable reason not to adjust accordingly. There is no organization in the world called either ISIS or ISIL.

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is already redirected here, and I don't know how to re-redirect the opposite way. I think we need the help of an admin. --

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This only becoming more complicated as the term "Daesh", which is prominent in Arabic is getting increased use in English.

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I would support Islamic State. There are many articles where upper and lower case versions co-exist at the same time. --

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There has also bene a notable amount of media coverage on the simply fact that there are multiple names floating around.

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I don't understand why you did this, but please notify everyone who !voted in the RfC that was closed today. Thanks.

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reliable sources, regardless of other considerations. I am not saying this is right or wrong, just passing it on. --

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article. If I'm not mistaken, Knowledge can have two articles of the same title if they're capitalized differently?

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I have. This subject is dynamic and, unfortunately, prone to the predations of a small group of interested editors.

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You mean al-Qaeda franchises are supporters, surely? I thought al-Qaeda proper was still very much an opponent. --

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=628242520&oldid=628242261

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a different position in the TOC, as I don't think either are ideal but couldn't think of better alternatives. --

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since the last requested move was closed with no consensus reached. I am renewing this discussion as the title

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At the moment the article makes no mention of "So called Islamic State" despite use being propagated by Imans.

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I think it is, but others have disagreed. I will note that "Islamic State" is used in the media at times with

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United Kingdom" is the correct way to write the names of those countries in a sentence, yet the articles are "

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Is there a better way to handle the information in that section in an orderly way? Any ideas are welcome. --

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While the ideas with "organization" are reasonable, I have a new suggestion that gives a bit more context:

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Based on the above, I argue that the balance of English-language reliable sources has shifted in favour of

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Nice idea, but if you look at other articles for example, we don't really put the acronyms in the titles.

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We shouldn't use "government", "organization", or "group". This is a self-proclaimed, unrecognized state.

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Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#French distinction between the organisation and the state itself

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of the recent and growing criticism of the IS and this name controversy could be a subsection of that. --

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adhere to English language conventions... still many news papers refer to them as "(the) Beatles"...? --

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to help keep track of the known leadership of ISIL. Most leaders have their own articles which is good.~

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Good question, Director. Let me find out if this is even allowed or at least there is a precedent. \

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That's why I included a survey of the English Language media sources that have switched to the use of

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is a type of government and thus a type of organisation. We aren't given much if any differentiation.

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Thank goodness. Thanks to Gazkthul and Technophant the article is now down to a reasonable size. --

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Thanks. I rather suspected it. That clears up a point that has bothered me for quite a while! --

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My argument is that the use of the words "Islamic State" naturally lead to the question, "of what?"

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Recently some of the most prominent holdovers have also officially adopted the name Islamic State:

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This article should be about the organisation (state), not the conflict or insurgency. Hence, I

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a specific state that implemnts the idea of the general term (lower case) "Islamic state"...--

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summarized things nicely for me in that he showed that the name has extremely fragmented use.

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There may be a number of ways to sequence this. Place Criticism after 10? Title? subtitles?

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http://www.aobm.org/fatwa-on-the-so-called-islamic-state-formerly-islamic-state-in-iraq-syria/

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and other fighters will be willing to fight if their pay comes in ISIL dinars? I reverted it

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I googled the following to see what names they have been using in the past seven days or so —

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No one's counting and no one has proposed any particular solution just exploring ideas. --

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My support is in any form of change : "Islamic state"/"Islamic State (organization)" etc. --

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I like that solution, with the modification to use ISIL as that fits with the article title.

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states in the first sentence: "An Islamic state is a type of government". Could also say

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cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality or civilization..."

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as they are proposing and supporting names not supported by the Article Title policy --

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/term-islamic-state-slur-faith-david-cameron

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For a move of this page, which seems very likely to be challenged, you should formally

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http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/archive/01091/Fatwa_on_ISIS_1091394a.pdf

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I agree with Midrashah, Panam2014 and Worldedixor. The name of the article should be

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The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Associated Press, and The Guardian.

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gets "About 888,000 results" (This search up to 29/08/14 got "About 105,000 results")

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to revert that and passing by to remove a citation needed tag without any explanation

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concept in a more meaningful and obvious way than just playing with capitalization.--

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Islamic State: Is prospect growing of US being drawn into another ground war in Iraq?

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that we should not confuse the Iraq and Syria group and historical Islamic state. --

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But then again I've just thought of somewhat similar situations regarding the names

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This is a recent campaign that seems to have rapidly gained significant prominence.

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Reliable sources now using the group's official name, "Islamic State", include the

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which, in my informed opinion, is the correct name to use. Feel free to discuss.

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Iraqi commanders expect widening U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State positions

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United Nations designation of ISIS/ISIL as a terrorist organization - section 3

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http://www.mcb.org.uk/leading-islamic-centres-condemn-so-called-islamic-state/

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And the article should be so appropriately titled, as per our policies. Yes?

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I felt free not to divide the world between 'us' and 'others'. Thank you. --

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or commonly used name or nickname of a group, sports team or company (e.g.,

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are using and have found that Islamic State has become increasingly common:

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I agree with you, it should not be trivialised. My overriding concern is

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Qatar regulates charities after Western concern over Islamic State funding

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should just swallow without presenting that 99% of the world rejects it.

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Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Jihadist or similar in lead!?

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suggesting the article should start using "so-called" Islamic State! --

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Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Jihadist or similar in lead!?

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Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Jihadist or similar in lead!?

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sheltering and training of terrorists and planning of terrorist acts

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Islamic state and (b) the Arabic title is "the Islamic State". --

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http://www.activechangefoundation.org/portfolio-item/notinmyname/

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there and this unqualified flow of information was unacceptable.

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Timeline of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant events in 2014

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others. I find it incomprehensible, an example of "RS" POV?

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the most serious threats to peace and security and that any

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A new train of thought has just arrived being stationed at

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Life Inside the Islamic State Home Base of Raqqa, Syria

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Deleted the flag and bad ref. Thanks for the heads up.

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is its official name the article is named as such. --

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Can anyone request the move? or move it by himself? --

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Five reasons why Islamic State will be hard to destroy

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Wikinews:Category:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

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outside of ISIL maps follows this spider web design.

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Now we say ‘the Islamic State group’ instead of ISIL

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be reflecting that. Presenting a non-typical map is

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Perhaps even 1731:Diplomacy Is the Way To Beat the ‘Islamic State’ 1719:Turkey mulls 'buffer zone' against Islamic State 4957:when I removed the so-called official languages 4949:brought a money unit from an unreliable source 3808:I assumed "Islamic State" was the COMMONNAME? 2815:Midrashah and Panam2014 and add my support to 1778:and propose we follow this lead. I have added 4667:New section: "Criticism of the Islamic State" 4441:Not only that, but (a) "Islamic state" means 3170:Well great. Then I support a move simply to " 2392:A summary of the conclusions reached follows. 2144:TY. I've only really taken a serious look at 1770:Reconsidering What to Call an Extremist Group 1000:operate a network of terrorist training camps 8: 3768:applies here - the most common name used in 1038:ongoing and multiple criminal terrorist acts 4409:Supporters of "Islamic state" (non-capital) 3365: 3084:yes, Director, it appears to be permitted. 2165:(at least according to arguments presented) 462:This phrasing is used as has been noted by 2589:are acceptable without disambiguation. -- 2167:but offers one alternate differentiation. 1004:sponsor international terrorist operations 4556:, both Capital and the acronyms of it. -- 2935:or similar which is standard. Calling it 2774:distinguishing it from other articles? -- 987:, and reaffirming its conviction that the 4461:Supporters of "Islamic State insurgency" 3188:templates would of course be essential. 1681:Contentious article names should follow 1672:is being used less and less in favor of 1621:Knowledge:Naming conventions (Macedonia) 1012:and many related resolutions including 3947:. How do you justify using "The" here? 3641:Supporters of "Islamic State" (Capital) 2063:(with Organisation in parenthesis) and 1946:gets "About 12,200,000 results" in news 1049: 2885:, and since this name change has been 2237:to argue that it fits the criteria of 2152:definitely being an influential topic. 1964:"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" 1954:"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" 1725:The genesis of the Islamic State group 1430:became the commonly used name for the 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 2858:This is just a discussion not a vote. 1615:, then search of "requested move" on 1134:http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/ 1125:http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/ 1057:http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/ 7: 2383:The following discussion is closed. 2080:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 2065:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 1853:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 1670:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 1659:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant 106:Map of ISIS controlled areas (again) 4346:I remove my objection to (Capital) 3925:I was giving examples exaclly from 2466:; a perfectly legitimate phrasing. 1966:gets "About 16,200 results" in news 1782:in parenthesis to distinguish from 304:Revamping and reduction of timeline 4024:Still needs disambiguation, but I 3174:" over redirect (provided its the 2155:Another problem though is that an 2150:WP:Use commonly recognizable names 2071:WP:Use commonly recognizable names 2055:Very true but with the name space 1790:similar to the French wiki model. 1597:unlikely to in the short term. -- 24: 4953:invented two 'official languages' 4610:Slovenia is not supplying weapons 3898:"The" is used in accordance with 3533:Supporters of "The Islamic State" 3311:For me, you could move. Regards. 3178:in sources of course, as usual). 1984:"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" 1974:"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" 1451:- an Islamic voice on the matter 4924:for the correct pronunciation. 3353: 3329:I wasn't able to move. The page 2029:Just to put you in the picture, 1548:Requested move 17 September 2014 336:Islamic_State_of_Iraq#Leadership 29: 3835:preceding "the" -- thus Reuters 3000:Islamic State (Iraq and Levant) 2766:Another point: They are called 2200:A recent article by Adam Taylor 2161:Islamic State (Iraq and Levant) 2146:Move request - 6 September 2014 2059:occupied the choice is between 1817:'This topic has been discussed 1085:the page to make it more clear. 4965:Why should I have a User Name? 4704:Why should I have a User Name? 3521:04:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC) 3004:Islamic State (Iraq and Syria) 2887:running in circles for a while 2347:01:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC) 2318:18:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC) 2300:08:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC) 2277:13:32, 21 September 2014 (UTC) 2251:00:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC) 2225:13:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC) 2182:00:49, 19 September 2014 (UTC) 2140:14:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 2125:12:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 2101:at least for the rest of today 2051:11:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 2025:09:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 1936:gets "About 1,060,000 results" 1920:08:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 1897:15:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC) 1877:08:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 1843:00:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 1809:23:15, 17 September 2014 (UTC) 1464:17:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1444:12:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1409:10:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1368:10:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1348:10:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1330:and organizations such as the 1322:09:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1308:09:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1286:09:48, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1272:09:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1258:09:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1244:09:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1230:09:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1215:09:13, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1175:10:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 908:19:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 879:10 Propaganda and social media 851:20:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 837:18:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 823:18:41, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 807:17:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 777:17:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 757:16:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 743:13:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 725:13:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 706:12:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 680:12:08, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 666:11:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 620:11:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 575:11:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 527:11:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 517:list is increasing daily. -- 511:10:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC) 379:22:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 365:22:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 350:22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 320:Islamic State of Iraq#Timeline 252:22:10, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 234:21:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 220:21:14, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 202:19:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 180:19:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 165:11:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 140:11:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 125:10:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC) 1: 4584:08:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC) 3867:Articles with Capital "The": 3240:in the article. Am I right, 2513:The Islamic State (Caliphate) 1640:use commonly recognised names 557:for jihad related discussion. 495:gets "About 234,000 results" 4314:— and with the exception of 2823:in the rest of the article. 2440:Islamic State (organization) 2061:Islamic State (Organisation) 1976:gets "About 128,000 results" 1857:Islamic State (organization) 1663:Islamic State (Organisation) 5044:11:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC) 5026:21:32, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 5011:20:10, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4992:20:10, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4973:18:42, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4934:17:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4914:16:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4882:14:23, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4859:16:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4842:16:31, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4828:14:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4802:13:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4787:13:45, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4764:13:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4746:12:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4726:11:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4712:11:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4698:10:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC) 4682:10:36, 4 October 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21 August 2014 (UTC) 2975:19:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2956:19:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2922:19:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2899:18:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2876:18:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2852:18:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2833:18:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2806:18:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2784:18:03, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2760:17:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2742:17:55, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2728:17:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2711:17:42, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2689:17:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2642:16:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2627:16:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2605:16:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2576:16:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2553:15:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2525:14:55, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2503:13:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2485:11:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2452:09:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2429:09:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC) 2411:19:37, 3 October 2014 (UTC) 1986:gets "About 17,200 results" 1956:gets "About 41,500 results" 1652:19:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC) 1633:19:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC) 1607:19:12, 3 October 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