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Baldé (Chair-Rapporteur), Gabriella Citroni (Vice-Chair), Angkhana Neelapaijit, Grażyna Baranowska, Ana Lorena Delgadillo Pérez, Working Group on enforced or involuntary disappearances; Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences; Mama Fatima Singhateh, Special Rapporteur on the sale, sexual exploitation and sexual abuse of children; Morris Tidball-Binz, Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions; Ian Fry, Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of Human Rights in the context of Climate Change; Javaid Rehman, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran; Siobhán Mullally, Special Rapporteur on trafficking in persons, especially women and children; Ashwini, K.P, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance; Tomoya Obokata, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of slavery, including its causes and consequences; Fernand de Varennes, the Special Rapporteur on Minority issues; Michael Fakhri, Special Rapporteur on the right to food; Irene Khan, Special Rapporteur on the protection and promotion of freedom of opinion and expression; Mary Lawlor, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights defenders; Dorothy Estrada Tanck (Chair), Ivana Radačić (Vice-chair), Elizabeth Broderick, Meskerem Geset Techane and Melissa Upreti, Working Group on discrimination against women and girls; Farida Shaheed, Special Rapporteur on the right to education; Mohamed Abdelsalam Babiker, Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in Eritrea; Clément Nyaletsossi Voule, Special Rapporteur on the rights to freedom of peaceful assembly and of association; Attiya Waris, Independent Expert on the effects of foreign debt and other related international financial obligations of States on the full enjoyment of all human rights, particularly economic, social and cultural rights; Vitit Muntarbhorn, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Cambodia; Barbara G Reynolds (Chair), Bina D’Costa, Catherine S. Namakula, Dominique Day, Miriam Ekiudoko, Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent; Isha Dyfan, Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Somalia; Alexandra Xanthaki, Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights; José Francisco Calí Tzay, Special Rapporteur on the rights of Indigenous Peoples; Richard Bennett, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Afghanistan; Obiora C. Okafor, Independent Expert on human rights and international solidarity; David Boyd, Special Rapporteur on the issue of human rights obligations relating to the enjoyment of a safe, clean, healthy and sustainable environment; Livingstone Sewanyana, Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order; Alice Jill Edwards, Special Rapporteur on Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment; Muluka-Anne Miti-Drummond, Independent Expert on the enjoyment of human rights by persons with albinism; Ravindran Daniel (Chair-Rapporteur), Sorcha MacLeod, Chris Kwaja, Carlos Salazar Couto, Working Group on the use of mercenaries; Surya Deva, Special Rapporteur on the right to development, and Ms. Paula Gaviria Betancur, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of internally displaced persons
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allowed into the 25 mile-long strip of land that is home to more than two million people, approximately half of whom are under 18 ... “The imposition of sieges that endanger the lives of civilians by depriving them of goods essential for their survival is prohibited under international humanitarian law,” Turk said. ... Dannenbaum, an expert on siege law, said that the defense minister’s statement appeared to be an unusually clear-cut example of starvation of civilians as a method of warfare, which is considered a violation of international humanitarian law, a crime against humanity and a war crime. (Though, he noted, jurisdiction over some war crimes would depend on whether the conflict is considered inter-state.) ... “When you have a blanket, unequivocal, total cutoff of food, water, electricity and fuel, it’s just straightforward,” he said. “Gallant’s statement, explicit, without caveat, and from the top, stands out.”
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conflict. Leaders of the Democratic Party in the United States, the Social Democrats in Germany, the Labour Party in the United Kingdom, the Liberal Party in Canada, and many other left-wing and center-left parties throughout the Western World expressed support and sympathy for Israel in the war. Shri Thanedar of Michigan announced that he was resigning from the Democratic Socialists of America for the organization's stance on the matter. Polling in the United States indicated that the Democratic Party's sympathy and approval of Israel had skyrocketed in the aftermath; an overwhelming majority took its side and expressed greater sympathy for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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to find this info) and obliterated whole villages. They went through houses, one by one, knocked on doors pretending to be Israeli soldiers. If people opened they got shot, burned, raped and kidnapped. Including Women, children and elderly. If people didn't open the door, they breached in anyone, and did the same things. If the residents were inside the safe room, Hamas burned the house to force them out. Hamas decapitated babies. They filmed their atrocities and bragged about them. They kidnapped 3yo kids. They sent videos and pictures through social media accounts of kidnapped Israelis to their families, to show how they killed and mutilated their loved ones.
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pays for it, therefore they don't "take away their resources" they simply stop providing what they gave them volunteeraly until now. Erduan also is not a member of the HRW, he is simply leader of 1 out of 193 countries who are part of the UN. You can cite the HRW euridic statements, but you're not a judge to refer them or proclaim them uppon anyone. Doing so is taking a narrative. On the same note, you also cannot call raping, taking civil hostages, beheading babies and literally everything else Hamas has done a war crime until HRW will officaly say it is (which I'm sure they'll do in the next few weeks).
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militants. But what happened, according to him, was that when some of the people of the Gaza Strip heard about the collapse of the border with the israel, they rushed to enter israel, and some chaos occurred there. and in the video he admits that israeli civilans were killed but by mistake according to him and that hamas attacked israel with 1200 fighter .--
825:"ISRAEL’S DEFENSE MINISTER Yoav Gallant used genocidal language and ordered mass war crimes in the occupied Gaza Strip on Monday in response to Hamas’s weekend assault and massacre of Israeli civilians, setting the stage for a large-scale escalation of the violence that has already led to the killing of at least 800 Israelis and more than 500 Palestinians." 812:" Such blatant dehumanization and attempts to bomb a people into submission, to use starvation as a method of warfare, and to eradicate their national existence are nothing less than genocidal," Palestinian U.N. envoy Riyad Mansour wrote in a letter to the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday, seen by Reuters. "These acts constitute war crimes," he wrote. " 3201: 2575: 1881: 2891: 1490:
https://news.yahoo.com/least-40-babies-beheaded-found-154607044.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE_2r9TylY4ZSwIFErNR07WoUwRYPv3YHWnot6nmj2GX6JqXqDZXX3xGuHCG7WieJNDeQXW1xIijfN6VOpXPDYLkzHQX61a_TFW6CbODntrK_SVTFCxN7Z9gc-nn4yIKd3Ix97b05wX7IZqT3NNwwy8vWFRWoypsaivil2vzzvW4
506:"On 9 October, the Israeli defense minister stated that he had ordered a "complete siege" of the Gaza Strip, saying electricity, food, fuel and water would be cut off. According to Human Rights Watch, punitive measures against Gaza's civilian population would amount to unlawful collective punishment, which is a war crime." 1056:
brutal wars, which remain unaccounted for.” ... “This amounts to collective punishment,” the experts continued. “There is no justification for violence that indiscriminately targets innocent civilians, whether by Hamas or Israeli forces. This is absolutely prohibited under international law and amounts to a war crime.”
1399:"The main reason for the overall increase in support for Israel is Democrats have dramatically changed their position," says Republican Daron Shaw who conducts the Fox News survey with Democrat Chris Anderson. "They've moved from +7 Israel to +34, which undoubtedly reflects revulsion over the nature of the attacks." 1286:
Gaza hospital, etc. It is not informative or encyclopedic to tag unexplained and uncontextualized events with "war crime" etc. It is much stronger to describe what is verified to have been done. And, not to be minimizing the gravity of the situation, but remote, self-styled human rights observers are a dime a dozen.
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the same one I addressed, 1 UN representative saying something doesn't automatically make it right. The U.N. consists of 192 countries with envoys, 1 envoy saying something doesn't make it official. If North Korea envoy claims his country has full democracy, is it what happens in realty? not necessarily.
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which translates to The Hamas official said that the Qassam fighters were instructed from the beginning to obey the instructions of the Islamic religion in wars, which are not to kill civilians, women, children and the elderly and not to harm people’s civil interests, and to only fight soldiers and
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Do you have any actual links to sources? "Keir Starmer says" isn't gonna fly. I am not sure we should uncritically accept the German position on what is or is not a war crime, given their checkered history in that regard. And none of this changes the fact that collective punishment is unequivocally a
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appears to give excessive weight to a statement rhetorical wartime statement made by a political figure. While it is essential to include notable reactions and statements from world leaders, the current wording places disproportionate emphasis on this particular statement. The lede section should aim
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You've linked to various opinions, not to adjudications or factual conclusions with demonstrable mainstream consensus. More important, intrinsically and to our readers, is to document what has occurred. It is informative to detail things like ...white phosphorous ...mass relocation ...destruction of
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The first source, The Hill, starts with "A group of experts", which is fallacy and not considered credible in Knowledge. Which experts? that's broad and doesn't specify anything. Second source, relief web, is a report that has been filed not an official declaration of an organization. Third source is
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Collective punishment is a war crime. Which of the sources show that the HRW called the siege on gaza a "Collective punishment" or is it your conclusion from the article? Currently the electricy and water Israel provides Gaza is a humanitarinian aid, it's not gaza's electricity, Israel is the one who
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interview with arabic aljazeera he said that Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and hamas didn't killed israeli civilians but what happened according to him that gaza people when they heared about the collapse of the border fence they rushed to israel border and started attacking isreali civilians so in
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There are many, many sources across all media channels that explain what really happened on October 7th. This page describes that very poorly. Hamas militants didn't "attack Israeli communities", They bombarded their way through the border (15 breaches, they brag about it themselves, really not hard
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There are no factual conclusions or adjudications for any of the claims of war crimes by any of the parties, there are however accusations against each from sources that reliable sources treat seriously and discuss at length, making them required to be included. You are, pretty obviously, attempting
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Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967; Pedro Arrojo Agudo, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to safe drinking water and sanitation; Balakrishnan Rajagopal, Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing; Aua
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The Israeli forces destroyed at least 70 industrial facilities and 970 residential units in the Gaza Strip, documented Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor. ... Israel is committing widespread crimes against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip, Euro-Med Monitor said; amidst four consecutive days of its
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Turk said Israel's "imposition of sieges that endanger the lives of civilians by depriving them of goods essential for their survival is prohibited under international humanitarian law". "This risks seriously compounding the already dire human rights and humanitarian situation in Gaza, including the
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Thank you for the changes. As for the third request I believe the sources for the casualties mentioned by MSF twice are referring to the same two people at the same hospitals, so only one mention is necessary. Given the vagueness of the BBC article I can't be certain but given they're referring to
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The event was described by Noah Rothman as a "Sister Souljah moment" — a radical change of opinion — within left-leaning parties in the Western World; many had prominent elected officials who generally took the side of or expressed sympathy with the Palestinian government in the Israel-Palestinian
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The Palestinian envoy was specifically mentioned and the Israeli envoy was also specifically mentioned. Then, repeatedly, the Palestinian envoy's accusation was removed while the Israeli envoy's accusation was left in. That sparked a POV concern. These were not used as statements representative of
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My concern with your edit it that you removed not only a couple of words that were not supported by an inline ref, but you actually removed an entire paragraph, most of which was indeed supported by inline ref. Can you please self-revert and remove only the part you don't think is supported by the
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Please change the mention of médecins sans frontières to the correct spelling as demonstrated here, under "casualties" in the sub header "causalities in Palestine". In addition the report from MSF is mentioned twice in said section, once as being from "doctors without borders", with both mentions
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removed crucial content about the proposed siege, which was being referred to by the Palestinian UN envoy. The current edit now starts with the Palestinian UN envoy mentioning the proposed siege without the context that preceded it in the paragraph before. Not only does this not make sense from a
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Yes it should be removed, biden’s personal opinion is not something that important or relevant to the lead content. Especially when we all know that politicians usually make fire and propaganda statements and even lies (as biden did yesterday about seeing “photos”) for socio-political goals. His
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either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organisation and serve in their individual capacity.
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The Special Rapporteurs are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN Human Rights system, is the general name of the Council’s independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms that address
1125:. And you are dissembling on what they say about Gallant, they are not saying he threatened or what is feared, they are saying he announced the imposition of a siege and the denial of food, water and fuel. And that this is a war crime. You can pretend like the sources dont say that, but they do. 603:
Amnesty more admonished against the commission of further war crimes in the current conflict, while stating "Israel has a horrific track record of committing war crimes with impunity in previous wars on Gaza." They haven't leveled a specific accusation at Israel about the current conflict, to my
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language, referring to particular sources, is available. My above suggestion referred to the UNHRC. If you can cite to a particular reliable source that refers to Egypt, that may be appropriate for inclusion, although I think it would be more appropriate to refer to allegations against the main
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We also strongly condemn Israel’s indiscriminate military attacks against the already exhausted Palestinian people of Gaza, comprising over 2.3 million people, nearly half of whom are children,” it added. “They have lived under unlawful blockade for 16 years, and already gone through five major
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In the same statement that decried hostage-taking, Turk, the U.N. official, raised grave concerns about Israel’s actions in Gaza. On Monday, Israel’s defense minister Yoav Gallant had announced a complete siege of the territory, saying that “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be
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is indeed inappropriate. Such a comparison can be seen as insensitive and disproportionate. The Holocaust was a systematic genocide resulting in the deaths of 6 million people, perpetrated through the forced deportation of millions to death camps. In contrast, the current conflict involves a
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Whatever your standard for mentioning anything in this section, note that the same standard ought to be applied to the preceding Palestinian section, which no one seems to be fussing about not explicitly saying "war crime" in every single source next to every single action. Note that I'm not
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viewpoint is the overwhelming predominant one among the international community and literature. Unlike something such as Israel settlements, many figures — including on the left in the Western World — have justified at least some limited form of blockade on Gaza. Many have also now accused
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And the sources regarding the UN council, only Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian UN envoy was the only one who claimed it was a war crime, depicting it a consensus when it's 2 members (together with Erdogan in a different source) is misleading and forcefully trying to build a false narrative.
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I don't see how the blogpost of Noah smith is very important to the point of that part of the article, regardless of how many twitter followers they may have. Having just Victoria Brownworth (who writes for a newspaper and not a blogpost) is probably enough to get the point across?
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I objected to the use of the passive voice, and I object even more strenuously to the current phrasing ("There were ... allegations of war crimes"). Not only is this uncited, it does not say who made the allegations, or against whom. Don't know why the references were deleted.
264:"The Commission is gravely concerned with Israel’s latest attack on Gaza and Israel’s announcement of a complete siege on Gaza involving the withholding of water, food, electricity and fuel which will undoubtfully cost civilian lives and constitutes collective punishment." 1924:
different set of circumstances, characterized by ongoing back-and-forth rocket and missile attacks over decades, resulting in a much lower casualty count. This juxtaposition constitutes an egregious use of the false equivalence fallacy, which contradicts the principles of
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I didn't mention the other allegations because in this discussion we were specifically addressing the improper removal of sourced material in the Israeli section. The material in the Palestinian section was left alone, and should stay up unless there's a legitimate issue.
1001:"could also be considered" doesn't mean it's a war crime, it means "it could be", but "Hamas' attack absolutely constitutes a war crime" means Hamas "absolutely constitutes a war crime". So currently we should add those claims to the purposed war crime paragraph. 2320:"Human Rights Watch had as its original mission to pry open closed societies, advocate basic freedoms and support dissenters. But recently it has been issuing reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict that are helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state. 2322:. Other sources in the academic literature make similar claims against them. Listing both Hamas and Israel implies that their reactions have been roughly viewed by the international community as roughly equivalent; "war crimes" would clearly meet the standards 1480:
This page does absolutely nothing representing reality as it is. I apologize if my request is emotional but it is veer difficult to see reality twisted this way. I understand you used sources you consider reliable, so the best I can do is provide a few others:
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The Commission is gravely concerned with Israel’s latest attack on Gaza and Israel’s announcement of a complete siege on Gaza involving the withholding of water, food, electricity and fuel which will undoubtfully cost civilian lives and constitutes collective
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As a general rule, the opinions of one person or group shouldn't be in the lead of any article. The lead is supposed to be a summary, so it can summarize the main ideas of what's being said more broadly, but it shouldn't laser focus on any specific opinion.
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in the Economics section its said that qatar threatened to halt the export of gas as a native arabic speaker i searched about this info and i didn't find anything in fact i found that qatar just signed deal with france to supply them with gas for 27 years.
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No, that does not distinguish between fact, what's occurred, which events are legally considered "war crimes", and on the other hand what's threatened, feared, or unverified and unevaluated as crime. I have not seen RS that take the Hamas statement at face
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Yes, exactly. The statements by UN and other sources/organizations make a clear and significant difference between the sides. Our page should do the same because we must follow the sources. But the current text does not do it. This should be
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knowledge. Obviously the article should reflect what they've said when referring to their statement, but the statements from HRW and the UN also bear relevance, as well as the statements from the respective UN envoys of Israel and Palestine.
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It's sloppy, but there has been multiple polls showing radically altered opinion among center-left parties among many Western societies. (United States, United Kingdom, and a few others), although I agree it needs to be worded better. Per
3039:وشدد المسؤول في حماس على أن التعليمات كانت منذ البداية لدى مقاتلي القسام بالالتزام بتعليمات الدين الإسلامي في الحروب، وهي عدم قتل المدنيين والنساء والأطفال والشيوخ، وعدم المس بمصالح الناس المدنية، والاكتفاء فقط بمقاتلة الجنود والمسلحيين. 138:
writing standpoint, but it seems like an effort to minimize mention of a proposed war crime by Israel. The addition of a US official downplaying the likelihood of the siege may be noteworthy, but now the section seems suspiciously POV.
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Most of this looks like synthesis. Most of the sources do show that these parties took a pro-Israel stance, but almost none of the sources (except one) support the idea that there was a "radical change of opinion". The National Review
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systematic oppression in the OPT, coupled with inhumane acts committed against Palestinians as part of a policy to maintain the domination by Jewish Israelis over Palestinians, amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and
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re-added the image with the following edit summary: "The photo is freely available on social media and journals taken by an unknown palestinian who published it. i chose the wrong licensing statue when i first uploaded the photo"
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That isnt how this works. But collective punishment, use of white phosphorous which is indiscriminate, are on their face war crimes. But either way, what matters is that reliable sources say that they are war crimes, and they do.
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The International Court of Justice is a. part of the UN, and b, doesnt issue rulings of guilt on war crimes. As far as Human Rights Watch, a. they are not the arbiter of anything but one of many important sources, and b. has also
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Well, this is the case when HRW (1st ref) was saying one thing, while UN (2nd ref) was saying something different. I suspect this could be a misrepresentation and therefore can not take responsibility for inserting such text.
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to maintain a standard for accusations against Israel that you do not for accusations against Hamas to be included. The war crime section has to contain all relevant views that per their weight in reliable sources.
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means. Not following what you think is a "neutral" POV. But including all significant views. And again, the UN official is not an envoy of a country, he is the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. His name is
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All these statements are accusations/allegations until such time as adjudicated years from now, if ever. Nevertheless, there does seem to be sourced agreement that both sides are now in the "war crimes" arena.
2348:. Instead, the claims of Amnesty and HRW should be preserved, while mentions of war crimes by particular factions should be removed from the lead. (Both Hamas, Egypt, Israel, and other Palestinian militants.) 1227:". I have no idea what your first sentence is about, but yes there are accusations made against Israel and accusations made against Hamas of war crimes in this war, and both need to be included. That is what 587:
I couldn't find any source in which Amnesty has accused Israel of war crimes in the current conflict. Did you find anything? Amnesty so far has only accused Palestinians, so the article should reflect that.
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The premise here that only things that have been "declared" war crimes is belongs is nonsense, but here are several sources directly accusing Israel of having committed war crimes in this current war.
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The United States, Germany, Keir Starmer of the British Labour Party, et al. and several other organizations/polities have stated that they don't consider the present Israeli actions to be a war crime.
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Nonsense because it invokes historical incidents that have nothing to do with the current situation, by political actors seeking to rally military support; not encyclopaedic or relevant in any way.
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The majority of the victims in those sickening atrocities are Jews. Biden's acknowledgment aside, this is a fact with immense historical significance. A crucial fact that deserves inclusion here.
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The second paragraph in the lead starts as follows: “Before the Palestinian attack, Israeli–Palestinians clashes…” It should be “Israeli–Palestinian clashes”, not “Israeli–Palestinians clashes”.
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Human Rights Watch has warned that while Hamas' attack absolutely constitutes a war crime, any collective punishment of Palestinian civilians through a siege could also be considered a war crime.
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HRW: "Palestinian armed group’s apparent deliberate targeting of civilians, indiscriminate attacks, and taking of civilians as hostages amount to war crimes under international humanitarian law."
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This why the statement is attributed to HRW and not made in wiki voice. There's a world of difference between statements like "X argued Y's actions were war crimes" and "Y committed war crimes".
1401:. I'm pulling up the other surveys I can find now. But there's been multiple articles writing about a shift in center-left parties among most of the major Western powers in the last few days. 801:" Israeli authorities’ cutting off electricity to Gaza and other punitive measures against Gaza’s civilian population would amount to unlawful collective punishment, which is a war crime. " 3184: 3113: 512:"Palestinian armed group’s apparent deliberate targeting of civilians, indiscriminate attacks, and taking of civilians as hostages amount to war crimes under international humanitarian law. 2249: 116:, even though reliable sources have made the allegations. If the allegation came from HRW, but not UN, then you could have edited to indicate that instead of also removing HRW allegations? 1375: 2722: 2553:
strikes on a hospital where one driver and one nurse were casualties I'm almost certain it's the same event. Also the second mention of MSF is still linked instead of being plain text.
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Israeli authorities’ cutting off electricity to Gaza and other punitive measures against Gaza’s civilian population would amount to unlawful collective punishment, which is a war crime.
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Israeli authorities’ cutting off electricity to Gaza and other punitive measures against Gaza’s civilian population would amount to unlawful collective punishment, which is a war crime.
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Agree. Just because Biden, the king of bloopers, utters something sensationalist, it doesn't automatically become lead-worthy ... disregarding the issue of his massive outspoken bias.
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Yes, of course, I agree with this. That is assuming that: (a) the cited sources support the statements, (b) the content is "due" on the page, and (c) the inclusion improves the page.
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The state "Collective punishment" is biased and based on personal narrative. Encyclopedic writing should say "Cut supply of humanitarinian aid which includes electricity and water".
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Just a quick reply. While I agree with much of what you have said, Knowledge prefers perennial reliable sources. Here is a checklist for you to scan to reference your statements:
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If it becomes widely agreed upon that Israeli actions during the war meet the standards of being a war crimes I wouldn't oppose inclusion. I just don't think we're there yet.
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There is no "Pro" or "Against". Saying so is proof that you not following a neutral POV. As long as the cited personnel writing the article claim for war crime they are not
3134:"In the West Bank, two Palestinians were killed after Israeli settlers interrupted a funeral procession for Palestinians killed in prior settler attacks and opened fire." 1203:, they are not certified to declare it as a war crime. And no, the envoy of Turkey or Palestine in the U.N. are also not certified to give a verdict regarding war crimes. 847: 845: 1420:
This is synthesis, and an inaccurate synthesis. I'd say rewrite the first line to more accurately sum up Noah Rothman's commentary on Biden's shift, and remove the rest.
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It needs revised with better sourcing; not deleted. It's important information that doesn't seem to have an obvious spot outside of a separate section in the article.
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capacity of medical facilities to operate, especially in light of increasing numbers of injured," he said, adding that a siege may amount to "collective punishment".
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was formatted implied that everything after 7 October was made by Israel. Will need to include specific incidents in Gaza after 7 October in their respective dates.
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I do not think it is in the weeds to ask for a clear indication that HRW is controversial in the context of a thread about whether their comments are being given
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that does talk about change, only talks about change in Biden, not change in Democrats as a whole and says nothing about changes in the entire Western World.
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So was the HRW source misrepresented? If yes, please explain how. If not, then please self-revert. You shouldn't be removing material without justification.
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The laws of war apply to all parties to a conflict, irrespective of the lawfulness of their going to war or imbalances of power between the parties."
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Right, that's what I'm saying. That is why mentioning war crimes without specification is the best option here. Any other choice presents massive
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It should definitely be in the prose (likely in the international reactions subsection), I'm not sure if it being in the lede makes sense. Best,
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This seems to me a different situation than the Israeli settlement situation. (Where there is overwhelming condemnation that it is an illegal.)
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The map displayed indicates that there are a handful of Israeli communities near the Gaza border with Palestinian militant presence. However,
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Are they saying that Israel is not preventing food and medicine into Gaza, or that Israeli prevention of food and medicine doesn't constitute
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escalating war, Israel has cut off Gaza’s electricity, water, food, and fuel supplies, creating a threat of imminent humanitarian catastrophe.
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We have expressions of concern, exhortations to caution and restraint, and statements about the past. But there is no RS that states that the
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Some of Hamas actions - hostage taking, killing unarmed hundreds point blank, etc. are was crimes on their face. No such actions by Israelis.
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I accept the logic of excluding reference to particular sources in the lede, provided they are given due weight in the body of the article.
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As seen in the discussion above, the consensus of most users is to have it removed from the lede but not necessarily somewhere in the body.
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I removed whole statement because there was a contradiction between two cited sources, and I assume that UN is a stronger source than HRW.
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I understand that the wording is partially awkward: but this seems to be an instance where a generic "allegations of war crimes" is more
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And about two million Vietnamese (majority Buddhist) were killed by the US. Let's just report the facts and keep the language neutral.
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But it's still a fact that Jews weren't subjected to this huge cruelty since the Holocaust. BTW, sorry to call you a Holocaust denier.
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https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-commits-widespread-war-crimes-gaza-humanitarian-catastrophe-imminent
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being linked to the page for MSF. Please remove the second of the mentions in the text and simply move the cite to the first mention.
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is a pretty reliable source. If Reuters said a UN official said something, then that UN official most likely did make that statement.
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disputing the war crimes mentioned in that section, just stressing the application of a consistent standard in the article.
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to adjudicate this outside of a generic war crimes. Giving the Human Rights Watch perspective exclusively is a question of
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Yes, they are saying it doesn't constitute collective punishment. At least that's what I'm interpreting their comments as.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-un-envoy-accuses-israel-genocidal-campaign-against-gaza-2023-10-10/
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Ok, can you post links that say the Israeli prevention of food and medicine doesn't constitute collective punishment?
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It was removed from the lead of the article, not the body. The problem with the wording is that it suggests that the
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Your text was saying "UN", and the used inline reference (to UN) did not make such (war crime) assertion. Not every
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conclusion he say that gaza civilans killed most of israeli civilans ( here is link to aljazeera but it's in arabic
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/hamas-terrorist-sent-mother-video-son-girlfriends-gruesome-murder-israeli-reality-tv-star
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Example of another RS typically used in Knowledge leveling the characterization; there are plenty of these online:
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Because it's just another politician looking for a soundbite? It can stay as long as it is attributed to Biden.
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The statement from the Palestinian UN envoy; note that the Israeli envoy is also cited in the Knowledge article:
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That doesn't justify removal of the mention of the threatened siege. Previously this was described by the line:
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The UN source used on the page did NOT call it war crime. Why should we include it on the page as a war crime?
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https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/09/israel/palestine-devastating-civilian-toll-parties-flout-legal-obligations
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Israel is committing widespread crimes against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip, Euro-Med Monitor said
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In contrast, all of the above have overwhelmingly condemned Israeli settlement in the occupied territories.
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For purposes of RS, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and UN statements are more than sufficient.
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I think it is an unfortunate reference. But, it was said by Biden, so I don't see how it can be avoided.
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In addition to the UN, and two other sources that alleged war crimes (see top of section), here is HRW
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siege or other Israeli actions this week are war crimes. Patience and Reliable Sources are needed now.
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Please change the deaths number of the People's Republic of China to 3, and the missing number to 2.
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war crime under international law, regardless of attempts by Israel's allies to obfuscate that fact.
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But didn't add to the body. Last revision before I removed it if anyone wants to add it elsewhere:
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This gives relevant context to the statement of the Palestinian envoy, and was properly sourced.
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But not all Jews are Israeli. That's the distinction to make. Judaism does not equate Israel.
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to provide a balanced summary of the conflict without favoring one perspective over others.
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/at-least-40-babies-killed-in-israel-hamas-war-report-4468830
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change "slaughtering" to "killing" as slaughtering is too emotional and unencyclopedic.
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Israel has committed a war crime in this war. They have also reiterated that Israel's "
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No RS has been offered. If you know of multiple such sources, please provide links.
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Additional Information & Citation for "Foreign and dual-national casualties"
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The allegations of war crimes are not limited to Hamas. This is in multiple RS.
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Based on that source can you propose some text? Or you can add it while being
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https://dohanews.co/gaza-experts-debunk-fake-news-on-qatar-gas-supply-threats/
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I've made the first two changes, I'm a little confused about the third one.
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of the organization. He criticized the organization in 2009, writing:
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Concerns Regarding the Comparison Made by Joe Biden to the Holocaust.
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The cited source for the paragraph isn't related to the statement.
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Here's the relevant paragraph from the Human Rights Watch statement:
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the UN, and were properly attributed to the individual envoys.
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Attributed to Biden, seems he is mixing up Jews with Israel.
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WHAT IS THIS SOURCES? Never had I ever heard of them before.
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And 25% are not. Also not only Jewish Israelis were killed.
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Are Palestinians still present in some Israeli communities?
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of committing war crimes for not letting Gazans into Egypt.
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I removed the images. (I'm replying to myself by the way)
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Do you have any issue with that version of the paragraph?
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Israeli settlers attack Palestinian funeral in West Bank?
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The following statement in the article isn't supported:
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Reformatted the timeline since the way the subheading
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You cite an opinion piece for that proposition. Per
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https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/ethiopia0608/18.htm
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