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1954:, before a single word of 2.1: Early career, etc. Ultimately, her career (or at least some of it, eg. her initial successes) should precede mention of her first marriage etc. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this in either the Talk or the Edits - I took a cursory look at the last 250 edits, a two-year span, didn't spot any switcharound or query or concern. So - all the sections are well-written but I'll have a go at rejigging, by a simple reversal of the order of 1.Personal life and 2.Career, or by splitting the Career section so's it'll perhaps run better as 1.Initial MGM Career, 2.Initial personal life, 3. Later career post-MGM. 4.Later personal life.
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Done a couple of hours after the Talk's "GAR concerns" posting, and all good clean-up work, well carried out, so I've no intention of undoing it, no need or desire to pull it apart etc. I think (certainly hope) it'll be enough just to switch the order of "Rersonal life" and "Cereer" sections around.
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Did a further check through previous Edits, and have now found the
Contents always began as 1. Early life, 2. Career (2.1 Early career, 2.2 Self-promotion and early successes), etc., with no "Personal Life" section at all until inserted on 19:29, 17 February 2024‎ by user MonicaAng, when she
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