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Burnell has herself, modestly accepted that the common practice is to honour the head of a research team. If she had received early recognition, her achievements may have been less than what she has done without the Nobel honour. Perhaps we
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There is so much talk about her not being apart of the group to win the Nobel Prize, but this is not the only thing that she is known for or did in her career. so why is there so much emphasize on this subject. However, this is important to keep thsi information as to inform readers of the potential
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Hewish just showed himself up. He would not get away with crap like that today. Looks like he didn't as credit has been duly awarded to the
Beautiful Mind - Ms Jocelyn Bell Burnell . It all makes me wonder if a bit of the old Discrimination had taken place. We will all just have to wonder. ( If you
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linked to "Jocelyn Bell". There's also a redirect from "Susan
Jocelyn Bell Burnell" , with one article linked to it. The alternative names in the Persondata box are confusingly presented. Can we agree on a standard form of name, other than "Bell" and sort out the redirects and linked pages, please?
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Being a successful women in a STEM field, there should be a section that talks about her experience and struggles she faced as a women in the field. Hearing the struggles, experiences, and success of Bell
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The alternative names in the persondata box look fine to me, except that the "(prior to divorce)" should be put inside an internal comment (or simply deleted), so as not to interfere with the intended use of persondata. Possibly a few more names could be added there. (We can't do anything about the
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There is nothing wrong with leaving the redirects. People will enter "Jocelyn Bell" or "Jocelyn
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You are correct. There is no such beast as a
Northern Irish national. All citizens of Northern Ireland are British citizens and carry a British passport. There is no such thing as a Northern Irish passport, so there can be no such thing as a Northern Irish citizen. The article should be corrected.
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I don't like this subject being named as "Bell", the surname of her father. She is also named as "Bell
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I was greatly amused at Mr Hewish's explanation that it was the Captain of the Ship who got the credit and not the crew member who shouted "Land Ho ". Well to expand on his analogy Ms Bell had been shouting Land Ho for some time before he gave up scolding her and took any notice . So it was more
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Good point. The source cited in the article (Who's Who) doesn't support Lurgan (it doesn't mention birth place at all). Other sources I've seen also indicate Belfast. I'll check all the sources I can find tomorrow, but until then I've just removed birth place completely. The whole "Background"
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