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article, and part of that should include culling the factoids down a bit. I think that particular paragraph could be re-added if someone were to give it a bit more context, for example by mentioning it as an example of how Seigenthaler is considered one of the newspaper's luminaries and maybe mentioning other ways he has bee associated with the paper since his retirement. Originally the paragraph had no context and seemed a bit out of place, like it had just been tacked on rather than woven into the article in a way that contributed to the story. Try reading the entire article through at once. You'll see that it does a fairly good job of being coherant and keeping your interest up until the Later Life section. But I suppose that part of the reason for that is that the Later Life section is ongoing and doesn't have the benefit of historical hindsight yet. Regardless, I do think it could be better written.

2003:(who is probably one of the most well-respected historians in Nashville) is one of the editors of this article. I'm sure he is more qualified than any of us to know if that story was important to Seigenthaler's career and so far he hasn't mentioned anything about it. Personally, I think that paragraph is fine as it is, and I believe your interpretation of the Haddox story is heavily skewed by the right-wing anti-Gore news blog WorldNetDaily. Not that it really matters, but Haddox basically escaped going to jail through legal loopholes. The reason his reputation was ruined is because his illegal activities were exposed to the public, not because of a fictional racist smear campaign. Anyway, I think I've spent enough time feeding the troll. If you want to pick on Gore (as I doubt you actually care about Seigenthaler), you'll do better to try the 1988:, then a reporter, on investigative stories about Nashville city council corruption in the early 1970s." This is not exactly the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. In fact, Gore and Seigenthaler -- according to the article that is presently sourced -- "concocted a sting operation to nail Haddox, a young pharmacist widely viewed as an up-and-comer in local black political circles." Haddox was acquitted when he got his day in court, but the trial-by-press, in articles penned by Gore, was extremely damaging to him. So IMO, just saying that Gore and Seigenthaler were investigating corruption is a bit of a whitewash. -- 3150: 1503:. This is a bit confusing, however, since the original John Lawrence Seigenthaler was also sometimes referred to as "John Seigenthaler Sr." back in the fifties. So to summarize this rather confusing history, the subject of this article has been known under three different names over the course of his life: "John Seigenthaler Jr.", "John Seigenthaler", and "John Seigenthaler Sr." Does it make sense for us to use "John Seigenthaler Sr." as the title? Or should it be change it to simply "John Seigenthaler" or "John Lawrence Seigenthaler"? 1999:

that one story when there are so many more important stories that Seigenthaler worked on directly that we barely mention here? It seems to me that the only reason you want to focus on it is that that particular story can be easily skewed into painting Gore and Seigenthaler as racists, although such accusations are obviously rediculous (as Seigenthaler was a significant Civil Rights activist). You should also know that the author of the article currently cited about the Morris Haddox story,

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for several versions before being removed. If someone can come up with a good list of versions that need to be deleted (and there are a lot of them for this article), I'll go through the delete/restore process, but it's just not worth the trouble to remove one single revision. Give me half a dozen or so and I'll go ahead and do it.

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In December 1966, Seigenthaler and Richard Goodwin represented the Kennedy family when controversy developed about historian William Manchester's book about the John F. Kennedy assassination, The Death of a President. Seigenthaler had read an early version of the book, which led to Jacqueline Kennedy

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The Morris Haddox story is only tangentally related to Seigenthaler. I don't see any reason to delve into it in this article. The sentence you're talking about is basically just a lead-in to Seigenthaler's relationship to Gore's political career, which is much more notable. Why should we elaborate on

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Anyone reading about the controversy, even in this summarized version is going to want to know what the outcome was. Once Chase confessed, what did Seigenthaler do? To leave the outcome out (however anti-climactic) is to leave the reader hanging. I don't think those five words add unneccessary length

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I've added a note in the same parentheses as Brian Chase that this is not the musician. There probably is a better way of doing this, and if anyone wants to have a go, feel free. However, I did not want to create a disambig page just for a one-off non-notable person (who had done something notable)

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Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. There are 1,071 revisions to this article, so if you want to remove 1 revision you have to choose the 1,070 that you want to keep... by hand... one at a time. Plus removing that one revision doesn't necessarily remove the vandalism as it may have survived

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What if we used a Roman-numeral name system similar to IMDb.com, whereby the first John Doe is labeled John Doe(I), the second John Doe(II), the third John Doe(III), and so on? Since the first two John Seigenthalers were both John Lawrence, but the third John was John Michael, this perhaps would be

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Unless you work in the field of journalism you probably have no idea what a Neiman Fellowship is. The prestige of being offered a Neiman Fellowship is certainly relavent to Seigenthaler's notability and career. Without the word "prestigous" the reader has no idea of the magnatude of the event and is

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The name "John Seigenthaler Sr." is something of a misnomer. For most of Seigenthaler's early life he was actually known as "John Lawrence Seigenthaler Jr." since his dad's name is also "John Lawrence Seigenthaler". Once he became a prominent journalist, he was generally referred to as simply "John

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Probably, one of his parents, grand-parents, or grand-parents or so on moved to America. And there, people pronounce the spelling as they pronounce it, which is different than in Germany. And you have other things to do then correcting people on pronouncing your name. In fact, you can't even teach

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In February 1976, Seigenthaler contacted Gore at home to inform him that U.S. Representative Joe L. Evins was not running for re-election. Gore decided to resign from the paper and drop out of Vanderbilt University Law School, beginning his political career by entering the race for Tennessee's 4th

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I suppose the main reason is that the Later Life section feels more like a list of random factoids than a coherant narrative, especially the last few paragraphs before the Knowledge (XXG) controversy section. I would like to see the section edited to contribute more to the overall narrative of the

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I decided to be bold (since no one has objected to the idea) and I moved the page. I think the new title is more accurate, less confusing, and more in line with Knowledge (XXG) naming conventions. Notice, for example, that virtually all of the sources cited in the references refer to him simply as

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This section ties Seigenthaler to a (somewhat) compromised criminal investigation of his friend, Sheriff "Fate" Thomas of Nashville. The FBI claimed that Thomas was tipped off before they intended. Nothing is mentioned directly connecting Seigenthaler to the tip-off. I'm removing all reference to

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Frustrated by the leadership of Tennessean publisher Silliman Evans, Jr., Seigenthaler resigned in 1960 to serve as an administrative assistant to incoming Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy. On April 21, 1961, Seigenthaler was the only other Justice Department figure to witness a meeting between

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I noticed on Seigenthaler's wiki page, it says "this article is semi-protected to promote compliance with the policy on biographies of living people". The guy's been dead for over five years now. I don't mind the article being semi-protected, I'm not saying get rid of it, but I think it would be

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There's no room for unsourced compliments in a good biography. If you want to cite a specific and moving recognition of his defense of civil rights, that's fine. If you want to write an informative paragraph about his heroic work about civil rights, even better. But indicate his heroism with

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Is this important and relavent enough to include in Seigenthaler's article? It seems like a rather trivial fact compared to the rest of the article's content. I can think of many more notable events concerning Seigenthaler that are not even mentioned in this article for the sake of brevity and

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WP naming convention is to use the name most commonly used for the person in reliable sources. If there is a conflict with another article title, you should use a disambiguating term in parentheses, for example, "John Seigenthaler (newspaper publisher)". In this case, "John Seigenthaler" would

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The following year, Seigenthaler led a fight for access to the Tennessee state senate chamber in Nashville after a resolution was passed revoking the floor privileges of Tennessean reporter Bill Kovach. The action came after Kovach had refused to leave a committee hearing following a call for

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Seigenthaler's friendship with Kennedy became one of the focal points of Jimmy Hoffa's bid to shift his jury tampering trial from Nashville. Citing "one-sided, defamatory" coverage from the newspaper, Hoffa's lawyers were able to get Seigenthaler to admit he personally wanted Hoffa convicted.

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While covering a story in the mid-1950s, Seigenthaler met singer Dolores Watson. Giving up dreams of a musical career, Watson married Seigenthaler in 1955, and later gave birth to the couple's only child, John Michael Seigenthaler, who went on to become an anchor with NBC News. The elder

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The main problem with this article is that many of the most notable things about Seigenthaler are barely discussed and the focus is mostly on his early years in the newspaper business. His work on first amendment issues is extensive, for example, and we barely mention anything about it.

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This also seems like a needless attempt to water-down the writing and make it safely bland. Really, we should have an entire paragraph (at the least) about Seigenthaler's legacy as a hero of civil rights. Instead, we have only a clause in one sentence (that has now been removed).

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this event—as it stands it's connecting Mr. Seigenthaler to the botched investigation by weaselly innuendo. The reference is a news article behind a paywall, and the editor who inserted the info hasn't been active since 2006. Please contact me at my Talk page if you disagree.

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And people like you who make a huge deal out of this stuff is what keeps it popular to vandalize pages. People will do it just because they know it bothers you, and other people who whine about it. Either way, there will always be vandalism, that's the risk of having a wiki.

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Seigenthaler currently hosts a book review program on Nashville public television station WNPT, called A Word on Words, and chairs the selection committees for the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation's Profiles in Courage Award and the RFK Memorial's Robert F. Kennedy Book

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The film was produced by The Newspaper Fund, Inc. in 1966 and shows reporter Frank Ritter writing a series of stories in The Nashville Tennessean about the problem of children dropping out of school. John Seigenthaler is closely involved in developing these stories.

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It certainly is relevant. And while it is not the most important thing that Seigenthaler did in his life, I would not call it trivia either. Seigenthaller was chosen to oversee the investigation because he was considered to be one of the newspaper business's

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It is odd that you consider this to be trivia unworthy of inclusion, but you let go the comment that Dolores Watson gave up her dreams of a musical career to marry Seigenthaler and that John Nye served as publisher at the Tennessean while Seigenthaler was

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However, the journalist noted that he hadn't conveyed those sentiments to his reporters. Hoffa's lawyers gained a minor victory when the trial was moved to Chattanooga in a change of venue, but Hoffa was nonetheless convicted in 1964 after a 45-day trial.

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Remaining focused on the cause of civil rights, Seigenthaler then supported Tennessee Bishop Joseph Aloysius Durick in 1969 during the latter's contentious fight to end segregation, a stance that outraged many in the community who still believed in the

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Moments after a victory in the California primary, Kennedy was shot by an assassin and died on June 6, 1968. Seigenthaler would serve as one of the pallbearers at his funeral, and later co-edited the book An Honorable Profession: A Tribute to Robert F.

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Your point is well taken, however, given the fact that Seigenthaler's legacy as a prominent defender of civil rights is well known and agruably needs to be more emphasized in this article, I think it would be more helpful to ask for citations

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Those skills weren't immediately evident, (he was lectured by an editor about his first article), but he was able to establish himself on the staff among heavy competition that included future standout journalists David Halberstam and Tom

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Problems with tone and weasel/POV wording, examples including "The bizarre case". The entire thing comes off as a bit of a puff piece, and I think some of the extraneous "heroic" details (like saving a guy from suicide) could probably be

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to the article. In fact I believe they contribute to an understanding of Seigenthaler's character (which is more appropriate for this article than other details such as the fact that Daniel Brandt was the person who traced the IP).

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Permitting vandalism like this is what makes wikipedia so unreliable. Since so many here want to ignore it, pretend it's not a problem, and wag fingers at anyone who wants to combat it, this site will never be taken seriously.

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Born in Nashville, Tennessee, Seigenthaler is the oldest of eight siblings. He attended Father Ryan High School and served in the U.S. Air Force from 1946 to 1949. After leaving the service, Seigenthaler was hired at The

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Probably not. I've removed it from the hatlinks for now. If no one objects, I'll change the "Knowledge (XXG) controversy" section to a See Also link. Do other people agree that it's finally time to end the navel-gazing?

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I'm just curious: why is his name spelled "Seigenthaler"? The proper German spelling is "Siegenthaler" whereas "ei" is actually pronounced more like an English "y" rather than an "ee" sound -- i.e. "zy-g'ntaler".

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An absurd suggestion. If you really feel that way go through the process of nominating the article for deletion. You'll find that maybe just because you haven't heard of someone doesn't mean they are not notable.

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The article suffers from a lack of focus, compounded by one or two-sentence groupings that do not adequately convey ideas. These need to be fleshed out into real full-sized paragraphs, merged together, or

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expressed a strong interest in having me banned, so I am raising an issue on the talk page before I do any more editing. The current version of the article says "As the publisher, Seigenthaler worked with

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This isn't a bad thing. Knowledge (XXG) strives to be a full source of all information, and to be frank, the more the better (as long as it doesn't become too long and unmanageable - not the case here).

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The case brought him on national TV and in a documentary, now also in a book: "one of the most infamous tales of digital assassination - the 2005 Knowledge (XXG) attack on journalist John Seigenthaler"

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Well, since not much got done in the time period allotted, I'm just going to delist now. I'll try and strip out the unsourced statements above when I have time; to anyone who wants to renominate it at

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In the past week there have been several sophisticated vandalism attempts on this article. Some of them have been successful at keeping vandalism unnoticed for several days. Please be attentive to

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better to just change it to "this article is semi-protected" or "this article is semi-protected due to vandalism" instead. Not mad, just something that I think needs to be changed for accuracy.

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The story is unfortunately highly reminiscent of too many others, where politicians were targeted for "sting" operations because of ties to traditional Democratic constituencies -- I'm thinking

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If wikipedia is to be taken seriously as a source of information, it is a huge deal. I could care less what vandals think of me. They are pathetic creatures with nothing better to to. It's sad.

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Seigenthaler" or "John Lawrence Seigenthaler". It was not until relatively recently that people began referring to him as "John Seigenthaler Sr." to distinguish him from his son, the journalist

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the locals. And even if you cared, your children and grand-children simply won't. In the end, you must only know that these sounds, whatever they are, mean you. That's the point of a name. --

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Even if the page doesn't require semi-protection, it should be at least move protected. There's no legitimate reason why the article would be moved, and there have been two vandalistic moves.

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not a laughing matter (especially given this articles history), but I don't think it qualifies for oversight by any means (then again, I'm not really familiar with policies relating to that).

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The lovely thing about hyperlinked text is that you can follow the link to find out exactly how prestigious a particular award is... you might investigate how other articles that link to

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I disagree with this one the most. The Neiman Fellowship is the most prestigious journalism program in the United States. If you need me to cite something to back that up, here are

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I don't think any of the red links that were eliminated were especially "wanted". Previously every person mentioned in the article was a link no matter how small their notariety.

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gutting such statements rather than after. But I suppose I'm splitting hairs. If you challenge that the assertion is uncited, I suppose someone will have to find a citation...

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Come on Editor, you guys should be better then this. Just because you don't like something or believe in it, doesn't give you the right to spin it, to fit the way you want.

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Sound day today for Knowledge (XXG) for me. I came here for one article, got mad at the spin, did more research, seen more, and lost a lot of trust and confidence SMH....

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Changing "a battle to eliminate the unsavory activities of the local branch of the Teamsters" to "a battle against the activities of the local branch of the Teamsters"

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Trying to add "an anonymous user" tries to make it appear like it wasn't a Knowledge (XXG) contributor "anonymous user are contributor like Login in Anonymous user".

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And people like you will make Knowledge (XXG) into a big joke, if it isn't already. You want to trash people, first learn to spell, then start your own little blog.

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Seigenthaler announced his retirement in December 1991 from The Tennessean, just months after he made a similar announcement concerning his tenure at USA Today.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe this is true. He never actually requested that his article be deleted, he just complained that it was inaccurate.

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There seems to be a lot of red links. Are they really needed? For example, I think we could remove his high school link and probably a few others. Comments?

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His whole incident highlights a potential problem for Knowledge (XXG) that the fonder learned from and solve, don't attempt to pretty it up, or devalue it.

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On February 8, 1973, Seigenthaler was promoted to publisher of the Tennessean, after Amon Carter Evans was named president of Tennessean Newspaper, Inc.

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All of that detail should be in the main article on the subject, not here. Chase's name isn't relevant enough to Seigenthaler to show up here at all.

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That could be an issue too, but I have no knowledge of Seigenthaler beyond the wiki-fracas. If you think comprehensiveness is a concern, then it is.

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But I guess that's because there isn't really much (if any) info out there about it. He seems to be far more notable for his earlier activities at

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I am placing the article on hold for one week pending improvements. Keep me appraised of development or ask questions here on this page. Thanks,

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In May 2005, an anonymous user created a five-sentence Knowledge (XXG) article about Seigenthaler that contained false and defamatory content.

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Cool it folks.. Don't forget that every single time us, the editors, also look at a page, do a revert, edit a small word, it also counts as a

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Hurting someone's reputation by lying makes the slanderer a genius? Hitler was a genious-- is that the kind of genius you are referring to?

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What is John Seigenthaler's role in the Alonzo Mann Affair and the Leo Frank exoneration movement leading to Posthumous Pardon of Leo Frank?

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I'm not sure this was good for Knowledge (XXG)-- reading the OP Ed about the slander has made me respect and trust Knowledge (XXG) less.

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Don't count on it. "hits" don't mean people believe Knowledge (XXG) is a good and reliable source. It's just a curiosity, nothing more.

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and related subjects in the Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, and even

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Whereas the former makes it sound as though all the activities of the Teamsters are unsavory. Perhaps "against certain activities" ?

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It looks like Seigenthaler founded the First Amendment Center, no the Freedom Forum. I think this has been corrected in the article.

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That seems to be workable to me, but I'm not really familiare with WP naming conventions for articles. Is there any guidance there?

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working there. Can you explain why you did not feel the need to remove those bits of trivia? -- JPMcGrath 04:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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A valid concern. The article is now fully protected against moves. Just for shits and giggles, I move-protected this page as well.

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It gets more interesting if you realise that we were jostling for position with cnn.com at the time. Now no longer. ;-)

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In May 2005, a Knowledge (XXG) article was created about Seigenthaler that contained false and defamatory content.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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The second version is misleading and makes it sound like the Teamsters have no legitimate or lawful activities.

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The Freedom Forum webpage says that it was founded by Al Heuhart, not John. He should not be given credit.

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Add external link to YouTube video "Journalists: Did You Hear What I Said?" at the Charlie Dean Archives

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He first gained prominence in November 1953 when he tracked down the former Thomas C. Buntin and his wife.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20141209084121/http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/179318-1/John+Seigenthaler.aspx

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Ah, missed it somehow. Not sure it's still that strong, considering it can be replaced by free images...

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Please spell Seigenthaler correctly in the death section. Especially when it is spelled right up top.

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I agree. I think almost all of the red links can go. The only exception I feel strongly about is the

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I find it to be completely hilarious, this Brian Chase is a genius, we need more vandalism like that

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=John_Seigenthaler%2C_Sr.&diff=94456920&oldid=94215560

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There is no mention of his son (who has the same name and his own Wiki page)- has he been deleted?

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If we could only fill in a coherent narrative about his editor days -- the article's only lacuna.

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might also be worth leaving, although they are not as well known as the National Headliner Award.

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article that someone has cleared it up a bit there. Hopefully all this will prevent confusion.

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That event is beyond Knowledge (XXG), and I find it noteworthy in the Seigenthaler biography. —

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You may think that sounds smart, but it isn't original and these statistics weren't fabricated.

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The article also mentions virtually nothing about his tenure as founding editorial director of

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Seigenthaler's brother, Thomas Seigenthaler, was the founder of Seigenthaler Public Relations.

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https://web.archive.org/20050508234007/http://civilrightsandthepress.syr.edu:80/panelist.html

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How about "began a battle to eliminate corruption within the local branch of the Teamsters"?

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Who's next? :P But we shouldn't be poking fun at an issue which is definitely a sore point.--

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Is that graph right? Knowledge (XXG) has 2 billion page views per day? I don't believe it.

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And Why is there a John Miller link above (To "liberal media" in the National Review)

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I disagree with many of the recent edits to this article. Let's take them one-by-one:

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140705064502/http://www.mtsu.edu/masscomm/chair_mc.php

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Trying to add "Five-sentence" tries to make it appear like it wasn't a big deal.

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Why such a detailed bio for such an ordinary person? Let's get rid of the page.

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detail and information, not with adjectives and vague claims of how he was known.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140722081058/http://www.mtsu.edu/endowed_chairs.php

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Hopefully thing improve on wikipedia "if not hopefully something destroys it".

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threatening a lawsuit over inaccurate and private statements in the publication.

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congressional district, a seat previously held by Albert Gore, Sr., his father.

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This sentence is POV and try to pretty up the truth, and He didn't say this.

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It does have a fair use rationale and the rationale explains how it meets

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Changing "Known as a staunch defender of civil rights" to "At one point"

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Please note that red links are important; they help generate the list of

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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add

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All the following content is unsourced, or else its source is unclear.

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he shot and killed helpless women and children for personal pleasure.

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encyclopedic merit. Would anyone object if I removed this paragraph?

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LOL!! It was there just for 1 minute, i think is not a big deal...--

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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

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changes to this article, even apparent reversions of vandalism.

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Statistics are easily fabricated to support whatever agenda. --

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What's Seigenthaler's Role in the Leo Frank Posthumous Pardon?

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I'm curious, where is the edit which bashed John Seigenthaler?

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He meets the notability guidelines. Read the first paragraph.—

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I'm disappointed no one has even bothered to comment on this.

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Here's an article about Gore's investigative reporting days:

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the

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I don't know if this is the right page to mention this, but

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left to assume that it is just another journalism program.

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I have just added archive links to one external link on

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Does the Knowledge (XXG) controversy really belong here?

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Brian Chase the musician, also listed on Knowledge (XXG)

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which would probably get deleted anyway. I see on the

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of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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