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factual information in order to portray its accuracy. I suspect that you are "concerned" with the heisman vote which is supposed to come up some time soon but I do not believe that his arrest will affect it whatsoever. First, this is "NOT" recent news, the arrest was reported earlier this summer when
Manziel was well known in the community. Second, the "purpose that it serves" (to more properly answer your question) is nothing more than to inform the reader about information that is known about Manziel. This information is a matter of public record and anyone can put it in wikipedia. Your statement is akin to asserting that "discussing the Watergate Scandal serves no purpose on President Nixon's biography page." Again, this is a flawed thought and belief. Simply put, you don't get to "pick and choose" what goes on a biography. A biography reflects what a person has done whether it be positive or negative. Lastly, and equally significant, if you read the information that was posted, you will note that it is all FACTUAL. There is no speculation as to whether this happened and the small paragraph condenses everything that a reader should know.
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clarification. I wouldn't need to see the word "redshirt" placed directly in front of the first instance of "freshman," but but with all due respect to BroJohnE, the little redshirt icon is hardly sufficient to clarify to the average reader that JM was actually in his second year of football/college when he won. I would agree with Ryan Vasey that there needs to be at least some other mention- I'd be fine with the 2nd paragraph, which states that he was in his second year of school/football, and to clarify what a redshirt freshman is. That is the whole point: that a redshirt freshman is different than a freshman, otherwise why have the term in the first place? I feel a bit more strongly than Ryan, in that the work "redshirt" needs to be in there somewhere, because is what it is called! So i would be fine with something like, "In 2012, Manziel debuted for the Aggies as a redshirt freshman," or something like that, with a hyperlink to the phrase, "redshirt freshman." I'm new to this world so I appreciate your patience as I learn the ropes and appropriate way to engage in a civil dialogue. Jonsnowman
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Manziel was not a true freshman because the lead doesn't currently summarize the article adequately. While redshirt should be left out, material should be added to the lead to make it clear that he debuted during his second year of college. I don't care what terminology is used for that material, personally I would say that "In 2012, Manziel debuted for the Aggies as a redshirt freshman", but I'd be fine with a sentence that doesn't include the term "redshirt freshman" but still gives the same information.
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Manziel's evident response to the event, combined with the statements of those who know him best, show the incident to truly be out of character for the young man. My hope is that these "facts" ;-) will be brought to light along with the bare bones statement of the incident...and now, back to Jag7211's talk page. And again, I appreciated your input.
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To my knowledge, the case hasn't gone to trial yet. I've looked around and haven't found any information about it, but if the charges are dismissed or he receives deferred adjudication, there would be a strong argument for this whole section of the article to be removed as being non-notable. In the
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So, I don't know enough about football to give the answer to this, but I think it is a mistake that this article doesn't use the term redshirt even once. I understand that it would be inappropriate to say he won the SEC "redshirt" Freshman of the Year award, because that was not the case; however,
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Johnny Football got his Nickname from JR Alexander during his Sophmore Year at Kerrville Tivy High School. Mr. Alexander was the founder of Hill Country Sports Wrap Up which was featured every Saturday morning on KVHC TV in Kerrville, TX. Mr. Alexander would have interviews with Johnny Manziel and
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1. Most total yardage by any Heisman Trophy winner. (5,116?) 2. Only the fourth player (Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick) to throw and rush for 20+ TD in the same season. 3. Only player in NCAA History that was a member of both the 3,000/1,000 and 20/20 club in the same season. 4. Broke the
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It seems some people want to place the term "redshirt" early in the article, the lead paragraph in particular when it speaks of Manziel being the "first freshman" to win the Heisman and Davey O'Brien trophies. To do so seems to distract from the overall article by giving prominence to a term that
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I respectfully request that the full protection of the Johnny Manziel page be changed to semi-protection ASAP. It seems the temporary full protection will be in place until November 30, and that is too long a time period wait for improvements to be made to the page given the imminence of certain
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No Mug Shots for Michael Vick, other athletes, who were arrested and charged with felonies!: The posting of Manziel's mugshot is CLEARLY a POV bias attack on Manziel, given his high profile status. I find it interesting that no mugshot of Michael Vick is posted on his Knowledge profile -- along
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1) I don't particularly care about what was added from the filed complaint by the officer. However, it may be too much for the reader and will probably confused what happened. I think the comments that he said AFTERWARDS during the interview reflecting on the arrest are far more important than
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We need not divulge into more details other than what the article purportedly addresses. If the headline "Arrest" is too strong, then I suggest the line "Personal" just like it is used in other profiles. I appreciate the discussion, and I don't really care much about the guy (I went to an ACC
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and it corroborates the facts indicated by court documents. Accordingly, I agree with BroJohnE in this respect. It's a normal mug shot; but as to whether removing the picture "would better balance this section with the rest of the page", that's an interesting assertion. Please elaborate more."
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single season A&M record for rushing touchdowns (19) in the Cotton Bowl with his 20th and 21st rushing TD. 5. Third greatest single season rushing yards in A&M history behind Darren Lewis' 1988 and 1990 seasons. 6. Greatest single-season completion percentage in A&M history.
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the official AP news release of Manziel, the second line of the story reads, "Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel became the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy..." The term "redshirt" doesn't show up until a third of the way through the article, and it's only mentioned as an
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instead of incrementally increasing protection to see if it solves the editing chaos. At this time, most of the trouble is being caused by anonymous users. I believe that changing the page's protection to semi-protected will solve 97% of the problems on the page right now.
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section, maybe we can summarize the most notable highlights of specific games (with links to videos or articles), like his defensive play against LA Tech in which he forced a fumble; list notable weekly achievements or milestones not included in Statistics table, like
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with a host of other athletes --- many of whom were charged, and in some cases, found guilty of felonies. The mugshot should be removed, period......unless the same is posted for all athletes ever arrested and charged and/or convicted of even misdemeanor crimes.
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2585:== Measurements Listed as being 6'8" 235 LBS of solid muscle. 52 inch vertical. Easily a first ballot hall of famer. The best pure thrower to ever step foot on a football field. (for all the haters out there like Richard from dayton) (go look at draftscouts)? --
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that support the change you want to be made. Note that according to the article: "In many cases, Scout, Rivals, 247Sports, and ESPN may conflict in their listings of height and weight." So different sources may report different heights and weights.
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are plenty of forums that can be used for that purpose. There's only "consensus" between us two that this information should stay; however, as her correctly pointed out there will probably be a lot of resistance from unsigned IP and/or other users.
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