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which is frustratingly vague on the subject of what precisely he did. Which town? Did he host a radio show? Was it a religious service or like a talk show? Dunno if the sources exist, but that would be useful. If that source is truly all we have, I'd suggest reducing this to something equally
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The career-as-bishop section has some fairly minor material IMO. It's sourced but none of it seems TOO super-important, more like he was just commenting on news of the day. If he really played a strong role here, it would help to have better sources to show what it was.
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prestigious than just delivering some lectures. And on the Puerto Rico side, it's back to "why is this relevant" - we have so little detail it's hard to know how much it mattered. I'm not 100% sure what he did in Cuba.
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