1177:. The azcentral story doesn't say fraudster but rather "was accused by Arizona authorities of defrauding investors in 2015 and 2016." - and makes clear he wasn't convicted. I don't think a Snopes political article is the best source for info on securities fraud (nor do I think that the affair in Arizona - of misleading investors - was technically securities fraud in the normal sense of the term - though it might) - and in the story they're linking to this doesn't quite support it for us to say this in our voice for a BLP. (As a side note - he was also involved with the NFA - not just the Arizona commission). We should definitely describe his questionable securities/hedge-fund activities - but I would avoid "fraudster" or "securities fraud" until he's actually convicted of such.
1253:- which does not use "fraudster". Their title is "Was Accused of Cheating Clients", their body is "But what Wohl doesnât mention is that the hedge funds he says he founded as a teenager have faced national and state investigations, due in part to customers who claimed Wohl scammed them" (and then a long list - Wohl girls, NFA, the Arizona side, etc.). "Fraudster" - in my mind at least - says that our BLP was convicted of a criminal fraud charge. This hasn't happened (yet at least) - he's face numerous client complaints, regulatory bodies took action against him (including a life ban from the NFA, cease and desist in Arizona to which he consented), but he hasn't been charged - let alone convicted - in court.
3795:"Wohl was investigated by the National Futures Association, a government-authorized financial regulator that looks for fraud and responds to investor complaints. NFA started looking into Wohl after they reviewed promotional material for his fledgling hedge fund, NeX Capital Management. A series of NeX videos were âunbalanced in their presentation of profit potential and risk of lossâ for investors, the NFA claimed in a 2016 filing before its internal Business Conduct Committee, which rules on disciplinary issues (PDF). The NFA added that Wohl claimed to have acted as a fund manager before he or NeX were registered to do so."
2456:(I'd question someone losing a civil case - however this hasn't happened here). The sources we are using - essentially passing mentions in op-edy pieces in not so great sources (GQ, Splinter) - which do not focus on the financial aspect - are simply far from great. In my BEFORE I don't see a great many sources using this language. I do see sources who describe Wohl's record in finance - including of course the accusation that he misled investors. I think we should do the same - clearly state NFA and ACC accusations/procedures (NFA - acting to a large extent due to a very bizarre non-compliance - see
2379:'s concerns about "fraudster" implying a criminal conviction and, though I don't necessarily agree, I can at least see where they are coming from and am more than willing to discuss it further. You however seem to be making the point that "fraudster" (or similarly negative labels) can't ever be used in Knowledge (XXG)'s voice, even when supported by sourcing, which is provably false as I've shown above and as I've mentioned in the context of "criminals" in a previous comment, and is not supported by policy as you claim.
177:- however that doesn't have the article history. IIRC concurrent to the AfD (2nd) in which I added a bunch of info there was an edit-war involving limited-use accounts and IPs (from a pro-Wohl standpoint and from an anti-Wohl standpoint (e.g. adding information on various schemes - some of which at the time had BLP issues)) - so returning the article history would be useful - the version that was in place at the time of the actual deletion (or whenever deltionpedia grabbed it) may have been an in-flux version.
1612:(ec) Your version didn't convey the same exact information. We don't dance around in "has been described" when content is verified by enough reputable RS (WaPo, Politifact, NYTďź Snopes, etc). Per-word citation is sufficient to inform readers what sources we use and avoids cluttering with explicit attributions. Plus, Wohl has long ceased being a professional blogger or columnist, prevailing outdated information over more recent RS doesn't make much sense. We're not supposed to be someone else's PR crew.
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reason to wholesale remove sourced content. What I am recommending is very simple: we should not take what the sources have said verbatim and apply them as labels in Wiki voice, we should instead provide in-text attribution. I'm not really interested in debating whether terms like "fraudster" or "conspiracy theorist" are value-laden, as I think you know better. It would not be wrong to assume they are, and we should follow
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exercise. Enwiki's notability standards would need to change to a merit based system (opposed!) or something not coverage based for him to be non-notable here. (On the Hebrew
Knowledge (XXG) they run a (mainly) merit based system with sraight voting headcount (it is all democratic, large participation votes, no strength of arguement) - over there (and on other Wikis with a similar system) he might fail AfD - not here.
2972:. The article does not say he is a criminal. I've seen no source saying he's convicted of a crime. He's been sanctioned for violating the law. But, not all violations of the law are necessarily criminal. He is facing felony criminal charges, for which he has not *yet* been convicted of. If he's been convicted of a criminal offense, please add that statement to the article, with an appropriate source. --
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3835:"In 2017, The National Futures Association banned Wohl from membership for life. A few months later, the Arizona Corporation Committee ordered him and a business partner, Matthew Johnson, to pay a $ 5,000 penalty for committing securities fraud "in connection with two hedge funds and a house-flipping venture." The committee also ordered Wohl to pay $ 32,918 in restitution."
1763:, but these are factual descriptors of Wohl that are supported by reliable sources. If Knowledge (XXG) didn't make contentious statements, Knowledge (XXG) wouldn't call anyone a fraudster, criminal, murderer, or any other negative but factual descriptor, but I could supply you with thousands of examples to the contrary. That's the whole point of
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3807:"Now, several months removed from that hilarious failure and flush with a fresh infusion of walking-around cash from God knows where, the teenage hedge-fund fraudster turned professional Islamophobe has embarked on a new and exciting grift: making poorly produced Internet pseudo-documentaries about Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar."
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called an "internet troll." These are facts which can be substantiated with sources, and I am not objecting to noting each of them. However, whether the labels "fraudster" and "conspiracy theorist" can be factually and unambiguously applied is dubious, as is the case with any labels that imply a value judgment. That's why
1767:âto make sure that contentious statements are sourced, which they are in this case. As for "value-laden", "fraudster" is not a "value-laden label" like "racist" isâit's a factual descriptor of someone who engages in fraudulent behavior, which Wohl provably has done, and which has been supported by reliable sourcing.
632:. The previous text contained OR (mainly in the lede - e.g claiming he was "effectively banned for life from the U.S. futures market" (which I think is incorrect - the NFA's action was serious, however this "only" affects client business - I think!)), and was partially based on a primary source (the NFA itself).
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I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern
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The NFA for more context is legally sanctioned by the CTFC. To quote our own article "Congress passed legislation in 2000 and 2008 requiring firms acting as counterparties to retail forex transactions, as well as forex pool operators, trading advisors and introducing brokers to register with the CFTC
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The answer is what is a "securities fraud" and if found guilty/paying restitution, does that make you a fraudster? This would be basic summarising of reliable sources. If the word "fraudster" is problematic then just re-summarise the opening paragraph to outline what he actually has already been done
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seems right (even if not convicted for fraud (not sure), was convicted for related stuff). The wiki cats are probably a combination of: Knowledge (XXG) slopiness, conviction for related crimes that are not fraud in the legal sense but are in the common sense, escaping or dying prior to conviction, or
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This article on Wohl is not "throwing out the term 'fraudster' without explanation"âthere's a whole section detailing it. I wouldn't object to moving more of an explanation of what he did to earn the descriptor to the lead, if that's what you're looking for, though it might be a bit tricky to trim it
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Knowledge (XXG) editors who deal with these articles have a responsibility to consider the legal and ethical implications of their actions when doing so. In cases where the appropriateness of material regarding a living person is questioned, the rule of thumb should be "do no harm." This means, among
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His notability isn't just getting mentions. It's entire articles dedicated to him by pretty much all of the MSM both initially for his claims (which would usually be on
Mueller's page rather than here) and then subsequently for the fallout and subsequent reactions (which is where his notability comes
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Creating a hoax isn't necessarily a crime. Clearly we can't say that Wohl is guilty of a crime, but it seems plenty clear from the actual sources that Wohl created this hoax. And we are certainly entitled to discredit Wohl's perspective here because a) his clear and verifiable track record of lying,
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I gave it a shot on
Wikidata by bumping up the rank, but it ended up removing "fraudster" and "internet troll" from the infobox entirely. I've just replaced the infobox with a local ("old type") infobox instead, and adjusted the ordering. I don't have any strong opinions about what order they go in,
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Would you mind if I continue to use the sourcename_YYYY-MM-DD (ISO 8601) format? Both numerical and phrase refnames can be confusing as contents and refs may be reordered as articles progress and source articles can be used to support more than just some particular wordings. I've been considering to
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There are at least five mainstream sources describing him as "far-right" so you would need a significant number of mainstream sources which specifically reject that description to even begin a discussion about changing it. You're welcome to present sources and discuss it here. Remember that not all
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Based on what I'm seeing I would support both fraudster and hoaxer. Multiple financial/securities frauds including those he has either been sanctioned for or otherwise found guilty of, and hoaxer given the number of hoaxes he has attempted to perpetrate (such as attempting to frame public figures),
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If Wohl wrote the post, then it's right to say he misrepresented the truth to frame Mayor Pete for a crime, but if he is disputing that and saying Hunter Kelly wrote the post, then unless we actually have a way of proving who wrote it, we don't really know who it was that tried to frame Mayor Pete?
2768:âwhich I suppose makes sense, since this article is the only article on Knowledge (XXG) that cites them! I'm going to remove the current citation because I'm not sure about the reliability. Until this is covered in other reliable sources, though, I don't think it should be mentioned in the article.
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on
Knowledge (XXG). I'm aware of the "do no harm" BLP consideration, but it needs to be balanced with some amount of reasonable application to prevent whitewashing of negative but verifiable descriptors such as these. So far you've said that you agree that Wohl has been described as a fraudster and
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The GQ is linking to the Daily Beast in "teenage hedge-fund fraudster" (which is mentioned in passing)- it reads like an oped and focuses on the
Minneapolis "death threats" video. For the financial side of Wohl's exploits we should stick, in my mind, to sources who cover the finance/investor aspect
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I don't recommend deleting the page, but I do recommend considering its deletion on notable guidelines as well as the never-ending desire not to grant trolls the attention they seek. Once the individual's indictments are presented to the public, this person would become notable. Until then it seems
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This article may not be suitable for inclusion at this time. Yes, Jacob had his fifteen minutes of attention - not fame - but he has not demonstrated lasting notability. Even if the FBI indicts him, he will be less notable than any one
Russian agent who Mueller has indicted for hacking. I abstained
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This is now on BLP noticeboard, as this is a serious BLP violation. The edits labeling Jacob Wohlâs occupation as âfraudsterâ is not in ANY reliable source. We have had rules promulgated for over a decade on when and when not to start labeling living personsâ occupation as a âcriminalâ. Rule is
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The fact that we have not yet reached consensus means we should default to the "safe" option until then, which is in-text attribution. I'll reiterate that I am not advocating removing the material, so your suggestion of "whitewashing" is unfounded. I also have issues with editors who cite BLP as a
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This is something that you and
Tsumikiria are blatantly disregarding for reasons that I find inexplicable. It is not in question that the subject has been implicated in securities fraud, expressed views characterized as far-right, and has been reported to be a propagator of conspiracy theories and
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There does seem to be a growing awareness out in the real world that
Knowledge (XXG) has become a swamp of irrelevant information mixed with a preponderance of legitimate, useful, valid, verified information about the broad spectrum of human knowledge (ahem) and giving one troll a Wiki page out of
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I'm questioning whether the individual who is the focus of this article can be considered "notable" in the context of being worthy of
Knowledge (XXG) and its guidelines -- which are admittedly not carved in to stone. The individual has not been indicted openly, so far as anyone knows, and does not
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From my observation, political affiliation + occupation is a widespread practice for description of persons known for their political views or activities. This individual is primarily known for both being a conspiracy theorist and a fraudster. I have no preference on the order between the two, but
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I think Wohl did threaten to sue us and, perhaps realizing that he can't possibly win and most likely make a fool of himself, unilaterally dropped the threat and thanking us for "fixing it" while the only change in the article in the meantime was "fraudster" moved from the first descriptor to the
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The articles cited are opinions and specifically we have long standing promulgated procedures (going back to the last decade) on when itâs okay to lane people as criminals as an occupation. I would not be opposed in the introduction to saying that Mr. Wohl has been banned from certain financial
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Hoaxer does not seem right to me. I'm OK with fraudster based on the better sources listed (GQ, Snopes, US Today). Vox is a little weak, but supportive. The Daily Beast, Splinter, and Daily Dot are not high quality sources of for BLP content. They all tend to weave quite a bit of of opinion and
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If Wohl misrepresented Kelly, then Kelly is innocent and Wohl is guilty. If Kelly misled Wohl, then Wohl could just be a gullible pawn and Kelly is guilty. Without evidence (and this doesn't seem to have led to criminal charges against either party?) it doesn't seem right for us to assert either
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The "fraudster" along with other descriptors were added early in the article's existence and all GW and I did was to provide sufficient citations to verify these possibly contentious descriptors, which then remained since. As other major contributors to the page have yet to show up, declaring no
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If there are significant reliable sources that call him fraudster then there is no reason to remove it. This is like calling a criminal a criminal or a terrorist a terrorist etc. In the other hand, if there are no significant reliable sources that call him fraudster then this basically should be
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The core issue that I have with the extant article is that it opens up
Knowledge (XXG) to liability inasmuch as some of the rhetoric is actionable. I've voiced my concerns enough so I'll clam shut about it, yet seeing aggressive commentary in the Talk: page motivated me to once again lament the
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As long as we stand by our principles on using reliable sources and NPOV, there is no need to fear these lawsuit-happy lunatics looking to censor information about them. What we don't do is castrating ourselves just to fulfill some fastastical threats. At most, even if they sue us, it will just
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I thought he was notable via the hedge fund scandals prior to Mueller back in 2017 (which led to a number of full length profiles + coverage by a well regarded columnist on Bloomberg - there were, umm, novel aspects to various bits in the case). He surely passes GNG now - AfD would be a futile
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At least the way I see it, the descriptor is meant to summarize that Wohl is known for fraud and scammery of various kinds. The alleged securities fraud is certainly a part of it, but he is most known for the hoaxes around prominent left-wingers. I would be fine with replacing "fraudster" with
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liability will contemplate whether to pass the proposed text on to Wiki's attorneys. At least she should. You don't employ the "f-word" haphazardly when discussing people with a disturbing mental demeanor and enough ideological followers who are willing to donate to lawsuits to "own the libs."
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which will likely eventually fall under the gaze of a Wiki admin for removal inasmuch as it opens Knowledge (XXG) up to liability -- which is why the BLP guidelines suggest that such rhetoric not be employed. I can see why some people might consider the application of the actionable term to be
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but to avoid litigation from people who have ideological behavior which indicates a willingness to use the courts to silence the truth about them. Personally I don't feel strongly either way about its removal or not, though I'm sure an Admin responsible for mitigating Knowledge (XXG)'s civil
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I think that you're both right, now that you mention it, his behavior and infamy did rise to the level of notable due to being banned by the FTC, that alone would qualify, I had forgotten about that. Yes, he's a notable troll. :) I had not done my research before bringing it up here, my bad.
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I'm not sure if anyone publicly accused them of "kidnapping" (using that specific word)âthat's a word used in Wohl and Burkman's press release to describe Corrigan's accusations against them. Corrigan's public statement mostly talked about them taking her devices and her "bec powerless in a
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As this isn't an old type infobox, I can't figure out how to rearrange the contents. I'd like to move fraudster to the middle position (just as it is in the lead) so it looks like this: conspiracy theorist, fraudster, internet troll. Would someone please do that? It flows better and is less
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Value-laden labelsâsuch as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversionâmay express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text
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Value-laden labelsâsuch as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversionâmay express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text
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from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
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Another editor has re-added the text, and had they not, I would have. Knowledge (XXG) can (and should) describe people as they have been described in reliable, third-party sources. Wohl has been described as such repeatedly, and you can click on the inline citations to verify that. As
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Would someone mind changing the ref-names of consolidated citations to substantive information? Refs with names such as ":0" and ":1" make editing very difficult. Having ref-names that substantively reflect the link in question is important, and not doing so is in fact a violation of
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appear to have sealed indictments, and there does not seem to be any level of core criminality confirmed by any prosecution offices anywhere which would elevate what is basically an Internet troll above the apparently endless sea of Internet trolls to warrant a Knowledge (XXG) page.
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genuinely claiming that Kelly was behind anything, whereas the majority of (all?) sources I've seen say Wohl was, so it would be wrong to assert the former but not the latter. That said, if you have sources that I've missed, I'd be happy to see them (or you can add them yourself).
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The information sounds like the kind of stuff the this duo engages in, but, so far, the sources reporting it are not particularly mainstream. I think we should hold it until more mainstream sources pick up the story. I'll start a Google alert for it, and let's see what happens.
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This article, especially the three paragraph, utterly unsourced diatribe opening, is quite libelous and I don't say that lightly. Whoever wrote this clearly has an egregious personal animosity toward this living person. I'm not even sure which tag to put on the top of the page.
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Please change "Pat Garofalo, a Republican congressman from Minnesota" to "Pat Garofalo, a Republican state representative from Minnesota." Mr. Garofalo has never been a member of Congress. See en.wikipedia.org/Pat_Garofalo and/or www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/profile/12262.
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Also remove the word Scammer from the first sentence. Wohl has never been convicted of a single crime, let along scamming. Furthermore, the only evidence of any sort of scam is an administrative action from the state of Arizona which he settled with no admission of wrongdoing.
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I'm not sure I agree that "fraudster" implies a conviction. I've seen some sources describe him as a "hoaxer", but that seems to be a separate thing to meâ"fraudster" is discussing his financial dealings, whereas "hoaxer" would seem to refer to the Mueller/etc. incidents.
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was convicted of securities fraud, however I removed the proposed update to the categories which used the word "fraudster" because that's actionable, and these far right wing Republican extremists are always on the look-out for any excuse to sue anybody. Knowledge (XXG)
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conspiracy theorist by reliable sources, but have given no understandable rationale for why these descriptors can't be applied in "Knowledge (XXG)'s voice" other than that you feel they are "value-laden", which I disagree with, and which you have not explained further.
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I don't think that way either, although the paragraph being longer than above false claim sections prompted me to make it into a separate subsection. Presumed that he doesn't die in a car accident - he has a shitton of exploits to come. We can sure use a "other claims"
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I've added two more sources that verbatim describe him as a "fraudster". It's a bit of an unusual word so I think it's telling that there are three sources that use it specifically, in addition to many more that simply describe him as someone who is known for fraud.
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Given his past activities, he can say that he is a gorilla on his Twitter bio. That doesn't mean we have to follow. So please provide reliable, secondary sources that describes his self-description as a Zionist. Also, far-right isn't an occupation (noun), but an
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source should be retained (despite its note at RSP) since it's noteworthy that a conservative source also describes him as suchâcertainly it shouldn't be used alone for BLP claims, but I think it'd be okay to include in addition to other more reliable sources.
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I find this article extremely bias. He is not far right, not a troll nor a fraudster. He has said false information in the past, but CNN has spread more false information than him. This is not the only extremely bias article but this is a good place to start.
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Adding the source name would definitely and obviously be an improvement. Beyond that, or the use of any other identifying factor (such as author, title, or phrase), I have no opinion or preference. I do not agree however that using phrases is problematical.
597:? This is really not some due weight that is reflected in sources. The article body only has a one-liner describing his pro-trump stance, which is obviously unfit for being in the foremost part of the lead, if we're including this factoid in the lead at all.
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manager and real estate investor." Wohl was never barred from futures trading, rather, her was barred from the nation futures association. And he was barred from the NFA for "Failure to cooperate with the NFA" as is stated clearly on the NFA's website here:
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Agreed with you on "conspiracy theorist". I do see your point on "fraudster", although I don't necessarily see it as implying a criminal conviction. It's certainly used widely enough on Knowledge (XXG) to refer to folks who haven't been convictedâin fact,
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BLP does not disallow cited content just because it is negative, nor does it make special dispensations for those who are particularly litigious. Furthermore, the Wikimedia legal team does not screen and approve (or disapprove) article content on request.
2281:"Matt the Knife" (also called MTK; born 1981) was born in Massachusetts and grew up in Boston, but now resides in Rhode Island. He is a magician and mentalist and has broken a number of Guinness World Records, but began his career as a professional
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Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's
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trading for life for financial securities fraud. This may seem to be a nuance but it doesnât violate serious BLP rules that we have in a contemporary political article. I personally believe Mr. Wohl is guilty, but I am not a judge nor a source.
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I'll restore the removed material along with the stronger of the sources, since there seems to be general agreement on that. We can keep discussing here whether "hoaxer" ought to be addedâI don't have a particularly strong preference either way.
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There is enough RS support for this descriptor, and it doens't have to require a criminal conviction. We have lead explaining that he has been charged and forced to restitute for commiting securties fraud. There is enough weight in body too.
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rather than specific articles for brevity's sake. But since you seem to wish to see specific articles that demonstrate it's not unusual for BLPs to use this type of language without in-text attribution, I'll provide a few examples (emphasis
1572:. My version conveys the exact same information, but does not do so in Knowledge (XXG) voice. Please do not restore the previous iteration until you have reviewed the definition of an in-text attribution and understand why it is necessary.
3801:"Jacob Wohl â right-wing conspiracy theorist, Trump enthusiast, securities fraudster â reportedly tried to raise $ 1 million this spring by pitching investors on an idea for profiting from the manipulation of political betting websites."
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the fact that you may be unaware of what an in-text attribution is does not justify repeatedly inserting a BLP violation. Again, we do not apply contentious or value-laden labels in Knowledge (XXG) voice without an in-text attribution.
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consensus seems premature. The weight held by NFA and ACC proceedings and the wide occurrence among reliable sources are sufficient and adding "by journalists and media commentators" adds unwarranted doubt against the RS we're using.
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Your edit removed several references, and then you asserted the information was not sufficiently sourced. I am quite familiar with in-text attributions, thank you, but they are not needed here. Please familiarize yourself with the
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I split these into four bundles, and expanded the citations within each bundle. It does mean some of the refs are duplicated, but it prevents people from going to the citation and then having to navigate to a different citation.
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to earn the label and scrupulously avoid throwing out the term "fraudster" without explanation. This is how responsible editors handle these types of controversial pages, and that's the exact opposite of what's being done here.
927:, and other notoriety-seeking folks Knowledge (XXG) biographies. Wohl quite clearly meets the GNG based on the sheer amount of independent coverage, though if you disagree, AfD is probably the best place for such a discussion.
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Well, maybe it's just my obsession on having everything metricated and standardized regardless of context. I'd prefer using |quote= parameter for phrases. Anyway, I hope my little personal preference is still permissible.
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I have deleted the "See Also" section of the article because I can't see how it's directly related to this subject. There's a similarity between Wohl's activities and the Russian troll campaign, but that's about it.
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This information should be included in the article, in the section detailing the press conference involving Cass, whose failure prompted Wohl (allegedly) to reach out to the Hill Reporter with the forged warrant.
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This information should be included in the article, in the section detailing the press conference involving Cass, whose failure prompted Wohl (allegedly) to reach out to the Hill Reporter with the forged warrant.
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And yes, I did notice the previous deletion requests. :) But getting mentioned in newspapers and television talk shows does not attain the level og notability to warrant a Wiki page, in my not-very-humble opinion.
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is better - but not great - and this is a political article - an opinionated one (possibly also in oped territory). Note that GQ's source for "the teenage hedge-fund fraudster turned professional Islamophobe" is
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Is it okay under BLP policy to accuse a person (Wohl) of a crime (trying to frame someone for sexual misconduct) when he has not actually been indicted/charged much less convicted of anything along those lines?
2044:, not that it has concluded with a "no consensus" result. Right now I'm just trying to understand what objections you have to Wohl being labeled a fraudster or conspiracy theorist that you don't have with other
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This man is caught up in a plot to discredit Robert Mueller with false sexual assault accusations. Given what Robert Mueller is doing with his investigation these fake accusations could end up being historic.
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guidelines. And don't try to change the subject; we're not talking about categories, we're discussing the prose in the article, and if you'll notice, most of the BLPs under that category start by explaining
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sets forth guidelines for such things, and editors must error on the side of caution when covering people who express certain behavior. I hope that the editor who proposed that update does not take offense.
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and become Members of NFA." In short, while not the government, they are operating for an on behalf of a government commission to regulate Futures trading. In effect, they are the legal regulatory entity.
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2828:? Does that help? I've only changed the first sentence; you're right that there are a lot of sources in the lede in general, but to me it seems like it's mainly the first sentence that was really extreme.
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I'm not sure I agree that the Roy Cooper tweet needs its own section. Wohl's attempts to spread rumors about Harris and Omar were fairly heavily covered in the news, but I'm not seeing much other than the
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the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution
154:. Someone will need to get REFUNDs for those articles, and maybe post them on a subpage here. Also, the penultimate AfD had lists of numerous usable citations that can be checked and used if valuable:
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the former one is based on a single event (framing Muller) and the latter one is based on his historical activities. So I guess the current one makes more sense. More editors' input would be helpful.
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But he is more than an accused "fraudster" because he actually committed fraud and is (meant to be) paying reparations, yes?.... He also happens to be an accused fraudster which is a seperate issue.
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Are you saying that this discussion has resulted in consensus for your proposed version? I see that opinions are divided. You are in no position to declare that consensus has been reached, and the
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I don't see consensus for "fraudster". I think we shoud factually state the proceedings by the NFA and ACC - they are bad enough (and more or less imply the label without stating it in our voice).
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by the Southern District of New York. It includes the forgery of a judicial signature (twice). It is currently under investigation as a federal crime by the US Marshall's office.
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to citing it. The two of you have irresponsibly ignored these very clear guidelines for improper reasons. It's not about adding "unwarranted doubt" or "doing PR" (a reminder to
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being falsely accused of kidnapping - at this point, has anyone actually suggested that they had kidnapped her? Best Wishes,
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published an article which implicates Wohl in the forgery of a search warrant
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published an article which implicates Wohl in the forgery of a search warrant
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I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
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which were enough to get him kicked off of Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.
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Also, NFA is not a governmental body - itâs a self regulatory organization.
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4423:). Let me know if you think there are clarifications that need to be made.
4002:. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
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biased statements of opinion can be presented only with in-text attribution
4329:"Tel Aviv station chief", - not sure we need to cquote this. Best Wishes,
3358:: "Jacob Wohl scarcely goes a month without being implicated in a scam." (
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dead historical figures considered as such in RSes who were not convicted.
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I'm pretty sure this one is not a reliable source for BLP content. Does
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Steven Robert Comisar (born December 30, 1961) is an American convicted
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Noting that there has been discussion about this in the past as well:
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describe him as all of these things, so Knowledge (XXG) does as well.
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What exactly is your concern? This statement is too vague to act on.
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armored cars to avoid hitmen.[105 - can we bundle these Best Wishes,
3589:<-- This one says references a "court order for investment fraud".
2544:. Does anyone have a definitive source to back up one or the other?
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I see plenty of reliable sources establishing Wohl as a fraudster.
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I'm getting a 500 server error when trying to access that article.
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okey dokey! Just thought I should check, I'm unsure why, it just
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and action taken that pretty much everyone else is referring to.
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intentionally targeted Black - not a proper noun. Best Wishes,
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This seems to be heresay via "The Advocate" and "Daily Beast".
2948:. I appreciate these extra sources, though, I'll work them in!
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He is a Zionist American Per his verified Twitter account bio.
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4602:! I've implemented most of the changes, just a few questions.
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Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status,
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Yes there is a new allegation of Wohl to go after Scarborough.
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has 259 articles of its own that aren't in the subcategory of
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who transferred properties of dead people to his own accounts.
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in how we handle introducing the subject in the opening line.
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is not an argument for language that contravenes policy, and
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This also looks like a source to avoid for BLP content. See
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is the relevant policy here, and it explicitly requires an
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Thanks for your tireless work copyediting the article, GW.
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write it on my userpage as a recommendation. Any opinions?
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Mel Spillman (born 1948) is an American probate clerk and
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That's actually exactly what I did with my earlier edit.
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I donât think he is âfar-rightâ like the article says. -
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Russell Stephen King (born 1958 or 1959) is a convicted
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attribution, which means noting the source of the label
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and b) zero reliable sources give his claims credence.
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is an American far-right conspiracy theorist, hoaxer,
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Roig-Franzia, Manuel; Reinhard, Beth (June 4, 2019).
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I have a source that says that he isnât far-right. -
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article discussing the Cooper issue. Wohl peddled a
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4642:đ¤ Does it? It seems pretty standard length to me.
4291:"Matthew Cohen" - this isn't a quote. Best Wishes,
3793:Daily Beast says (for context of who the NFA are)
2170:I'm not changing the subject, I simply linked to
2040:To be clear, I'm saying that this discussion has
234:just 10 days ago. Let's leave it be for a while.
3470:If you think so, then perhaps we should go with
3138:Nevermind, looks like it was just a quick blip.
2325:, known for escaping from prison multiple times.
1275:, they're the one calling Wohl a fraudster, not
2536:I see different places claiming he was born in
2499:I would not read too much into the cats - e.g.
2349:known for his fraudulent promotion of his books
2272:convicted of federal crimes in 2013 in Florida.
979:No problem, thanks for considering our points!
3877:Special:Contributions/2604:2000:1483:C1E7::/64
2130:Not all negative descriptors are "value-laden"
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4054:is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
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785:An "other claims" section makes sense to me.
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2270:matriarch of a family of fraudulent psychics
1267:I checked RSN and didn't see anything about
4809:Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2022
3823:Salon just goes for broke with the headline
3787:HuffPo links to USA Today profile that says
3663:. I left in the two Snopes sources and the
2921:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZo7xYspCBU
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2842:Yep, that fixed the issue. Thanks.--
740:Nice work on this page, by the way.
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3170:Jacob Wohl is after Joe Scarborough
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4452:I believe this is acceptable per
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2540:while others say he was born in
2268:Rose Marks (born c.1951) is the
1043:The individual discussed in the
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4045:If nominators or editors could
3394:: "hapless far-right grifter" (
2294:F. Bam Morrison is an American
919:saying that we should not deny
4598:Thanks so much for the review
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4843:to reactivate your request.
4831:has been answered. Set the
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3713:they have to be convicted.
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3660:I've restored "fraudster":
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2351:and consequent legal cases.
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2944:It's already mentioned in
2803:Hm, let me try something.
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2128:Your oxymoronic statement
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3860:Silence from our IP now?
3667:source, and added in the
3551:, agree based on sources
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3152:I've added this attempt.
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1668:Also neither of you have
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591:Are you sure you want to
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4791:User:NorthBySouthBaranof
3506:What would you suggest?
3030:claim of attempted frame
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2458:Matt Levine on Bloomberg
2246:and former screenwriter.
2225:Russell King (fraudster)
2218:con man and extortionist
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1175:this story in azcentral
2964:Categorize as criminal
1546:Why did you just make
842:swampy to notice him.
630:NBC news wrote in 2018
327:edit the page yourself
136:See previous contest.
4899:Utter unsourced libel
4549:a list of nominations
3103:Latest failed attempt
2824:What do you think of
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4541:Review meta comments
3582:Los Angeles magazine
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