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corresponded with him very occasionally in the last 5 years or so). If you go to his website (since this was 7 years ago it is probably in a very obscure part) and look hard enough you will actually see a brief "tribute" section to my wedding which he attended; it is likely the only part of his weird and crazy website other than his world.std.com praising that isn't tongue-in-cheek and is actually serious. If you can't find it go to Google and type in the search "Happy
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an absurdly long .signature,", "multitude of enthusiasts, who celebrate him as the head deity", "He frequently dyes his hair, which as of late 2005 is bright red", "For reasons unknown, after constant daily changes for over a decade, his personal website stayed stagnant from late March 2004 until late
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kibo at all"). The fact that searching for "my anus" brings back almost ten times as many results seems to suggest that really this guy wasn't anybody at all. The little presence he has left is only made by probably 10 or 12 die-hard usenet geeks. I propose this kibo page be merged with another usenet page, giving him the footnote he really needs.
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I'm the person who went to RPI with him (somewhere in this discussion I mention how my wedding was on his page back in the early 2000s). He wouldn't merit a "normal" encyclopedia entry, but since
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I strongly disagree. Anyone who doesn't see the need for this to be included is failing to be objective. . . it's as though someone proposed an article on
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I also nominate this page as the dumbest on wikipedia. Rawk rawk rawk, you must be a usenet use that wishes he was old enough to actually be a part of the original usenetwork boborok. Yes, this page is dumb and should only be a small footnote in another webpage on wikipedia, it doesn't need it's own
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Such a well written piece, on someone who sounds intriguing. I have never heard of the man, but anyone who designs typefaces is brilliant as far as I'm concerned. The piece is well timed and paced. Just long enough for an encyclopaedia entry. Some, I find go on much to long, but here the article
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Kibo's activity in the early 1990s was most notable on Usenet. He was not particularly early in establishing a personal webpage (I recall a good number of
Kibologists had such before Kibo), and the site never was in blog form. It postdated robotwisdom by years. I don't know anyone who has seriously
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Not an official proposal for a merge, just a proposal for a proposal. On the grounds that his "early life" section is completely inconsequential to ANYTHING at all and because of the following items quoted from this page "nom de guerre", "known for his sense of humor, various surrealist net pranks,
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Parry was an exceptionally prolific poster to Usenet for many years, and maintained a web presence after leaving college, etc. But what did he do after leaving college and what is he doing now? His website hasn't been updated since 2009, by the looks of it, and in any case he has clearly been much
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All the people he grepped must have died before Google came along, because a search of "Kibo" brings out under 700,000 results, "kibo" with "usenet" brings under 70,000 results and "James Parry" gives under 40,000 results (and I might add that only one of the front page results has to do with this
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I went to RPI the year and a half that Jim "Kibo" Parry went there and used to visit him in Boston a lot, that is how I was able to write all the stuff in the
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Knowledge. Kibology was hardly just a "James Parry fan club" (while founder and star, he periodically disappeared from the group for times in the '90s and a.r.k kept going strong). I'm not completely opposed to the concept of a merger, but am unsure of which would be the more notable topic. --
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launched in October 1994, making it unlikely that a press conference mentioning it occurred in March 1992. (I also wouldn't expect that the Bush White house would have said something so flippant in the midst of a losing election. I can see
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He finally took off my "wedding" page. He had to do it very recently because my half-sister told me last month how she put my name in Google and was surprised to see that page come up. I think almost 8 years is long enough  :-)
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Perhaps the title, rather than being changed to James Parry (as much as that idea makes sense to me), could just be changed to Kibo (Usenet). I don't know what Knowledge's policy is on these sort of things, I'm just a reader.
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I've removed the {{tone}} tag. Although the content is inherently somewhat lightweight, the tone reads fine to me. If someone disagrees, please provide concrete examples before (or at least when) adding the tag back.
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First article I've ever seen that was obviously not needed for inclusion in the encyclopedia. I see it's been nominated for deletion prior and I think it's time to reconsider that action again. --
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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downgraded to "low importance" status. Other suggestions to help suppress any knowledge of there having been any sort of vibrant internet culture before the current calendar year? --
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The copyright on the site now says 2014 and the last modified date is still the same. The copyright year is probably coming from a script that is just outputting the current year.
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Yes, this guy was, and is, somebody. If Usenet is significant, then Kibo is; Kibo is one of the more significant figures in Usenet history. Sorry you weren't there and missed it.
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He was very before his time Net-wise. As a fellow college freshman he introduced me to what was then Internet email....in September of 1985!!!--
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