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What? This is not well written, it is one of the most baffling
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Thanks for your comments. Although I chose to name the table of significant events of James I as a timeline it is not a timeline as per the various wikipedia timeline templates. It is placed where it is (near the top of the article) as an adjunct to the infobox (same background colour, width, etc)
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The timeline is impressive, but seems misplaced. Events of James I's reign are laid out in a section that deals with his childhood. His death is mentioned much earlier than it occurs in the text. His wife is pictured in a section in which she is not mentioned at all. The chronology is thus entirely
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This article could stand a good editor. It is turgid and difficult to follow some of this text. The opening summary is longer than the whole article was a few years ago. There are lengthy passages that seem out of focus. I don't edit
Knowledge (XXG) any more because I am tired of the fights. But
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Answering your edit summery: 1. I did not write that he WAS most of the time at the
English court & 2. As I said before, produce a source to back up your misinformed opinions regarding his enforced attendance with Henry V's forces; nowhere is it said that he "loved Henry V" and source your
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Almost 3 weeks ago, I nominated this article for GA quality, and it has yet to reach reviews to see if it deserves GA status. Is there anyone who would like to review this? I personally didn't work on this article, but felt that it deserved critique from the best editors
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While the painting is out of copyright the
National Galleries of Scotland have copyright of this photography. Therefore all of the images on the NGS website are in copyright. If you wish to use any on your site please apply by completing a returning the attached application forms. I have also
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England and Ferdinand I of Aragon) than those of James II's generation, increasing the likelihood that James I is the sitter.
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