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Sock or not, I would still like to see a proper response to the points made. With sources. I understand that Elhaik might be somewhat controversial, so if we had a couple sources saying that research is fringe or at least not mainstream, that might do. Idk anything about the first one but same idea.
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That's not exactly the case. European Jews are all practically the same genetic group,but
Ashkenazim do have a percentage of at least 20% Slavic+Germanic which makes them a bit different from Italkim, Sephardim, and Romaniotes, but other than that they're mostly all southern European and Levantine.
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My genetic test assessed my genetic makeup as somewhere between 96% and 98% Ashkenazi Jewish, consistent with my emergence from four
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Thats why its my opinion. With all due respect I have never used this site before in this manner, but I found the comment I was responding to, to be incredibly offensive and bordering on antisemtism. Perhaps my bias is apparent and I can recuse myself if you'd like.
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