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I have found the best thing to do is actually change the page and see if anyone comments on the change. I see your point re editors vs readers; however, I think you made a great change, and caught the essence of what I was trying to get out with the semi-finals and finals - most likely more people would be visiting the page and we shoudl clearly identify what spoilers mean, especially since in rounds 1 and 2 sometimes things weren't updated immediately.
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I believe Sean Ryan (not particularly high 6-day winnings; especially early games), Brian Weikle (many people before him won more before him considering doubled clue values), and Chuck
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Rutter's earnings are cited as both $ 2,100,000 and $ 2,115,000 in various places. Jarchive distinctly lists him earning 15k as a nifty nine member. Is there any definative information on this? If not, both facts should be listed as I'm doing on rutter's page. I googled tons of sources that show both
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Because of the way they were formatted, I had to re-input the data into the "List of contestants" tables to make them look like all the other tables. I'm pretty sure it's all the same, I have checked to try and make sure, but if you see something that just doesn't look right, don't hesitate to check
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Let's keep them then - as I don't care about it that much. Just to clarify, although ESPN and other groups claim a copyright in statistical information (and it violates the "Terms of use" to download quantities of information) they only get a copyright in the presentation not the information. I agree
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Now that the tournament is over - I am listing all of the subpages and templates that were used to host the results on Speedy delete using {{delete}}. We don't need these anymore - the content of the full results is now on the main page, etc. If you disagree, remove the delete marker on each page and
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My bad - on a page like this (where the number of editors editing it is such that the change took 2 days for someone (other than an anon) to recognize, revert, and comment) it is hard to see what the consensus was - and there was no discussion that I could find on the talk page re the update time. So
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We can switch it to the other way after the event is over - but since it is an ongoing event, seeing who is upcoming and the results from last night is the thing I most often come to look at - it is much more convient to have the information most people would wnat to access near the top. Anyway, my
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No. Nothing of the sort. You're the only one who supported changing the policy (see below). This policy has been around since Ken
Jennings' games, and this policy has been the status quo ever since then. With all due respect, changing it, without warning, and without anyone else supporting this
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The thing I always enjoyed since joining
Knowledge was how articles were updated immediately. It's up-to-date and it tends to reflect the latest piece of information. There's no delay like traditional media outlets; if some information is incorrect it's imply revised as more details sink in. Just
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Based on Alex's conversation with Ken after the break in the first part of the finals, it was clear Ken knew who his opponents would be, so either round 5 was filmed after Friday's episode aired (very unlikely) or he was in the audience for the later rounds. I doubt they'd fly him in just to watch,
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If I don't edit it when the episode's over in my area (0100 UTC - 8:00p EST), or you view it first, just edit the results using the working link for Round 1, and then add the
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I assume that there was no
Tournament of Champions in 2005, but the article does not state that expressly. If correct, I think it should. Other than Ken Jennings, was there anyone in the UTOC whose original run on Jeopardy! was after the 2004 TOC? If someone knows the answer to these questions it
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Sadly, they can't be deleted. Under the terms of the GFDL, the edit history, et al. has to be kept. In actuality, statistics are subject to copyright (try running a script that fetches scores from ESPN.com and see how long until you get sued). And, for what it's worth, it's not just the stats,
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There seems to be a conflict of how much Brad Rutter's winnings are from the UTOC. Since he received a bye to the second round, he didn't get the $ 15,000 of those winners of the first round. Therefore, if you add it up, his winning total in the UTOC is $ 2,100,000 and his overall winnings is $
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The article states that "The setup and timing of the tournament has resulted in much controversy." Are there any links or sources to show how much controversy there really is? The only one with evidence is the "Selection of
Contestants". I know there are some people on the Jeopardy message boards
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Thanks - I didn't think about the GFDL issues. However, now that I have thought about it, I don't think we have copyright issues and the need to cover ourselves regarding the historical edits. The pages in question are reporting facts that are not subject to copyright law. This is similar to the
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I agree with you about keeping it the way it is for now -- at least until the finals are done and/or we have reached a community-wide consensus. However, at least revert it properly -- you just handily destroyed the work I put into the article this weekend. Where are the UToC finishes and career
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As you might have noticed, I've added two columns to the contestant list tables: UToC Finish/Winnings and Career
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I really think that Ken
Jennings should start in Round 2 because of the 2003 rule change. He should not get special treatment just because he won 74 games. Some former 5-time champs could have had a similar streak. In fact,neither Tom Walsh nor Sean Ryan should have been seeded to Round 2. Ken
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Due to the article's length I've split it up into parts. The list of contestants will go on one page, and the results will go on another. The main page will contain a summary of the results as well as the tournament format. If you have any objections to this, please let me know.
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Hmm... I don't know if if those are actually appropriate for templates... templates are meant to be used for content that is going to be repeated. Isn't there a way to template include non-template articles, like how they do VFD now? I would expect to see these articles at
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All qualified contestents will be in the tournament and seeded according to their qualifications 9 getting a bye in the first round and KJ not having to compete until the championships (unfair IMHO but probably ratings driven - since they are down so much since he lost).
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OK, I asked around and the transclusion link for normal articles just requires a colon, so I recommend we move all of these templates, and have the inclusions look like this: {{Jeopardy! Ultimate
Tournament of Champions/Round 1 results}}. Any objections?
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I was a contestant a few years ago, and the tape date was about two months in advance of the air date. They taped five shows in one day. However, I don't know if the schedule is different for the UTOC. They're probably running on a tighter schedule.
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was created, but not by me. I formatted the list of winners that were provided. (I cannot claim these to be verifiable by myself.) There was no entry for 2005, so I made the same assumption as you did, which is reflected in that article and this one.
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I have no problem with this happening after the UToC is over, but it shouldn't be done right now. And it certainly shouldn't be done until it's done right (i.e. Not such a small page, better sections, etc.) Feel free to flame me on my talk page.
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And the request was made by me, but it was only about the UPCOMING MATCHES TEMPLATE. It had nothing to do with the
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tag is highly discouraged. Besides, it's smaller as far as database size goes, and it's the one we've used for daily results during the entire tournament. I am working on standardizing all tables, including the ones at the bottom of the page.
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No. The people who care about Podia order will go to J-Archive. Most people want to see who won, got 2nd, got 3rd by going straight down the list. It's also easier to do statistics this way, because you don't have to mess with the results.
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I removed the templates, since the only use for them was to avoid having to search through the entire article to edit the results tables. Since the results tables won't be edited much (if at all) anymore, there's no need for them anymore.
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I should add that on 5th grader, they specifically said Jennings needed more than 132k to regain his record. This SHOULD imply that neither Jennings nor Rutter got their bye round prizes. HOWEVER, 5th grader is not necessarily accurate.
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unless he was going to be competing as well, so they probably filmed round 5 shortly after round 4. Maybe the following day. It's just a guess though. Or else they sent him tapes of the other rounds, which also seems unlikely. -
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updates what is the (or is there a) policy on current events - it seems that the polite thing to do would be to respect this request, which I have tried to do. I recently got a "Who died and made you king" accusation on
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I'm not sure if we need a spoiler warning, but it seems to me that one might be necessary for the results -- for example, today's game has been updated, but it hasn't even aired yet in my part of the country.
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be hinted toward on the page. HTML comments, like those on the Upcoming Matches template, would be the way to go, since a div class affects the people who read the page, rather than just those who edit it.
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Does anyone know how and when they filmed the tournament? I'm under the assumption that every round has been filmed except the final one. Does anyone have the approximate dates when each round was filmed?
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All - some have requested no updates until after the likely viewing time on the West Coast of the United States (this being a US Show) - generally we have respected this. However, not being here during the
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that are complaining about various aspects of the UTOC, but these are hardcore fans, not average viewers. I suggest either trimming this section or adding sources to show that there's actually controversy.
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I disagree - check out the "Ken Jennings Express" blog - if one wants to change Rutter's amount to $ 3,255,102 because of the Jeopardy! website, then one might as well change Ken's amount to $ 2,520,700.
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I removed the Controversy section. As was said, the only one with evidence was "Selection of Contestants" - which is not true as the show's producers made the adjustments prior to making the invitations.
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3,255,102. If Jeopardy's web site has those figures, then it has to be right. If Ken Jennings didn't receive the money from all those rounds he received a bye, then neither did Brad.
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reasons that scores of professional sports can't be copyrighted or that the phone book phone numbers can't be copyrighted. Let me know if you agree and I will remark them for speedy.
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I compiled those from tournaments and 50k winners. If you have a better idea, tell me, because I honestly don't have all the data. Did you ever get rmfromfla's list?
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Remember, if you're moving somebody to "Confirmed", you need to source that confirmation by some sort of web link. Otherwise, we'll move the name back to "Possible". --
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First of all, I don't particularly think that this is the proper place for airing this sort of opinion. I mean, what on earth does this have to do with the article? --
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By your logic, we should also wait for the show to be aired in other markets (like Europe) before results can be posted. The spoiler tag is sufficient enough.--
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I don't have the dates, but I know that starting with this round, there is no studio audience, so in actuality, the last round could have already been filmed.
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Why would it matter that Jeopardy was wrong about Ken Jennings' total? This is about Brad Rutter's total. Check out Brad Rutter's entry on his talk show (
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winnings for each player that I calculated and put up over the past three days? Take a look at the history and restore them as appropriate, please.
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You're absolutely right. Rutter did not receive the $ 15K for his first round bye -- only the Nifty Nine members who LOST in the second round did.
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RTA. *wink* Yeah, he's in the article as being on the contestant list, so yeah - I'm guessing that he'll be in the tournament. --
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This is being worked on right now, and I'll have some new tables (in WikiTable format) up for the List of Contestants part.
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Sorry to hear you are having problems - good luck on getting things up and thanks for the archive - it is a great resource.
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This week's games filmed on April 14th -- with a closed set. Round 5 has a top-secret tape date, as well as a closed set. --
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Does anybody know if Bruce Ikawa is going to be in the tournament? He's a friend of mine that I've lost touch with.
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