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Talk:Jeremy Corbyn/Archive 6

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1642:, England. As has been noted above, there is no standard format. Also, the notion that infoboxes of politicians in the UK Parliament should have United Kingdom in their place of birth because it is the UK Parliament is a false analogy. Firstly, the articles are about the person, not the office. Secondly, the offices of head of government in many sovereign states have eligibility criteria that include a requirement to have been born in that state. The office of UK Prime Minister is not limited to those born in the UK. 5118: 974:, already. A criticism article sounds like the sort of POV fork that should be avoided. There's no reason why the level of press hostility to Corbyn and reasons for his differences with the Parliamentary Labour Party (more to do with perceptions of his competence, foreign policy preoccupations and perceived unwillingness to compromise to win elections than "Red Scare" tbh.) can't be discussed in the main article providing it's very carefully worded. 31: 5813:
ownership of private land or property. After the Russian Revolution, even the small peasant farmers lost their property and were punished for having had it. People in the USSR did not own their homes. You cannot claim that Soviet socialism was not really socialism, or start splitting hairs over abstruse varieties of theoretical socialism. If we had a socialist revolution in the UK, then Mr. Corbyn would lose ownership of his home.
675:, I have included Corbyn's comments on Hamas and Hezbollah, and on British policy towards the former, which were previously missing from the section on Middle East foreign policy. The comments were initially included in September, but were later removed due to objections over the source. Therefore, I have reincorporated the comments with another source, though my edits were just reverted by 409: 213:. Prime Minister Cameron sought to build political consensus for UK military intervention against ISIL targets in Syria in the days after the attacks, but speaking at a regional party conference in Bristol on 21 November, Corbyn warned against "external intervention" in Syria. However, he told delegates Labour would "consider the proposals the government brings forward". 111:
stating that he could not support intervention in Syria. Much has been written on the consequences this could have for the Labour Party, although much of that is speculation, so I don't propose adding any of that. We also need to carefully choose our sources. Any thoughts on this? I'll put something together on here, and we can decide what to do with it later.
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already stated he was born in Chippenham in Wiltshire, and it is a given that it is in the United Kingdom, all we have to decide is whether or not to add "England" to Wilts. I would say not, because "Chippenham, Wilts" is enough, and the exact location of Wiltshire, for those who are ignorant of it and wish to know, is available by clicking on it. Therefore:
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so not notable at all. He receives the basic annual salary for an MP, which is from 1 April 2016 is Ā£74,962, which is normal. It has been noted that he claims the lowest expenses of any MP. He will get a work pension, he is entitled to, like millions of other workers, based on many 30 years service. Nothing of any value to add to the article
466: 546:, someone who supports war only when absolutely necessary. I think most people would agree with this description of Corbyn, given that he has supported certain wars, see section above (and maybe reply as well if you are interested!) However, this is very easily confused with pacifism, which is complete opposition to all wars. I (and 2759:. I don't buy the idea that "Chippenham, Wiltshire, England" is more descriptive ā€“ the sovereign state is missing and that doesn't seem very descriptive to me. Why the UK should be the only country in the world not to be mentioned in an infobox is an interesting question. Some people out there still don't know that England is 3281:
won't know where Wiltshire is so it's worth saying it's in the UK. However, people also care which bit of the UK people are from, if you didn't know where Wiltshire was you wouldn't know which country it was in. So all four is the best answer. I shorten United Kingdom to UK in order to save some space in the infobox.
1061:. Any Newspaper that is Right, Centerist, Liberal. Neoliberal, Conservative or UKIP and even Labour (because Labour is a party of many factions including Blairites) ... which are most of them ... are the ones most likely spread doubt, controversy and fear regarding someone who challenges their political views. 2846:: There is no need to specify England IMO, and even if there were, "England, UK" is too obtuse. Please get this sorted out some time soon as this is petty and often disruptive to other editors of the article. As mentioned before, if people don't know where Wiltshire is, they are free to click on that link. ā€“ 3280:
I'm very much of the opinion for this sort of thing that more is more. Who is this information useful to? Someone who doesn't know where Corbyn is from. If they know where Chippenham is then no more info will help them, but you need Wiltshire to distinguish the two Chippenhams. That said many readers
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The issue may be simply a matter of choosing either "normal postal usage" for address of birth, or "nation where nation may not be a normal postal usage". More to the point, most people speak of "London, England" than speak of "London, UK" it would appear. I do know that telling someone they were
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I strongly favour having the country as UK, especially for a UK-wide politician. Wiltshire is undeniably in the UK. It's also clear that a lot of nationalistic and activist editors are seeking to remove all references to the UK from Knowledge (XXG) and replace everything with "England" and "English".
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I don't think it is factually accurate to say it is at odds with most of his parliamentary party. There are a number of people in the shadow cabinet who disagree, but the position of the PLP more widely is unknown but likely to be more in line with the views of the members and Corbyn. So much of what
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It was the USSR, not the USCR. Before the fall of the wall, a Russian university student explained to me that they only had a socialist economy as they had not yet reached their goal of communism. The Knowledge (XXG) articles about the Russian revolution use the word socialism far more than the word
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After looking it up on the internet, and considering his age which appears to make him above retirement age, then he could cash in 100% of his pension pot now or at any time if he wished. So I think it is fair to add it to his total marketable wealth. Sorry I cannot believe that socialism allows the
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This suggestion addition is perfumed with political bias, like the Tory News source it came from. Just because its the Telegraph does not mean its a good source. The average price of property in the capital is Ā£530,368 according to the Land Registry House Price Index ... so he is near average there,
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The only good resolution to the awful image would be for more shareable images to become available. It's in Corbyn's best interest that a decent image of himself is made available. I tried e-mailing the Corbyn office, but got no response. Perhaps if we spam e-mail them we might get something back? I
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Let's be clear. The onus in this discussion is for those who support changing the existing use of "England" to "UK" to identify why, in terms of WP policies and guidance, that change is preferable or necessary. While !voting can help identify arguments to resolve the issue, it is not the answer in
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It doesn't matter hugely whether England or UK is used, because the default assumption when UK is mentioned is that the reference is to England. We don't need to point it out specifically when someone comes from Metropolitan France - it is inferred from "France" - but if they come from French Guyana
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Let us imagine the audience for this article. Those who know who Corbyn is will know he is British, the rest will read the first line of the article, and discover that. There is really only any point stating his "sovereign state of birth" if it is outside the the United Kingdom. Now since we have
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I strongly favour having the country (ie sovereign state) listed in the infobox. It is standard. The UK is a unitary state. Can you imagine US bios saying Born: "Houston, Texas"? Nationalism is a primary motivating factor here. Individuals born in the Soviet Union, almost without exception, list the
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I decided to include "pacifistic" as I think it is the most accurate and concise way of describing the subtleties within Corbyn's foreign policy views. I respect that it could be confused with pacifism, but surely the very purpose of Knowledge (XXG) is to educate and inform rather than be structured
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Cameron set out his case for military intervention during a parliamentary debate on the issue on 26 November, telling MPs that it was the only way to guarantee Britain's safety, and that it would be part of a "comprehensive" strategy to defeat ISIL. Corbyn's shadow cabinet held a meeting immediately
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I agree that this would be an adequate replacement albeit only temporarily. The current picture does look intentionally awful, and really should be replaced with this one for the time being. I agree it's not the best replacement, but the improvement over the current picture outweighs its negatives.
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I'm sorry to bring this up AGAIN, but that picture is awful. I know it's not a place for opinion and a picture is a picture etc etc etc, but the colours and the murkiness is absolutely abysmal, there must SURELY be better, free alternatives by now? Literally all of the other leaders have clear, and
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The notion (posed above) that a reader wanting more information on Jeremy Corbyn may not know either where England is or that it is part of the United Kingdom seems more than a little far fetched. Readers are far less likely to know where Chippenham is in the UK without being told it is in England,
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Pension funds are invested in shares, bonds, investment trusts etc, which are categorised as marketable wealth. In addition recent legislation means that the pension holder could cash in their pension if they wish, although I do not recall if now 100% can be cashed in or just some proportion. This
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as an uninvolved user. Although it was highly ill-advised for the involved participant to close it and the closure did not reflect a consensus reached at this particular RfC, the compromise may be a good proposal to start with, even as a temporary compromise while discussion continues (as it ought
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Do we have any citations which describe Corbyn's views as "pacifistic"? If not then I really don't think we should describe him as such. Corbyn has expressed many views on foreign policy but it is Original Research to weave these views into a single ethical position. I understand that it useful to
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suggested the case for air strikes was "compelling". Later that evening Corbyn sent a letter to Labour MPs saying that he could not support military action against Islamic State: "The issue whether what the PM is proposing strengthens, or undermines, our national security ... I do not believe the
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Yes the full potential value of a pension is realised only if the pensioner survives. If Corbyn doesnā€™t (or canā€™t) cash it in early, and he pops his socialist clogs before retirement age, his wife will probably benefit from a spouseā€™s lump sum. But poor Jezza himself will never see a penny of it.
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to all the infoboxes of the British Prime Ministers & British Leaders of the Opposition. But, I highly doubt that will ever succeed. Though there's resistence to replacing or adding to 'England' entry at this article's bio? The resistence would likely be much stronger at those infoboxes which
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Maybe not "hugely", but yes it certainly does matter, because that is a very wrong assumption. France and its overseas territories is in no way comparable here. An encyclopedia should not have to compromise accuracy just to accommodate the supposed ignorance of its readers regarding UK geography.
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clarifying Corbyn's non-absolute pacifist position in the foreign policy section. Regarding the length of the lead, I felt the need to expand it slightly as it included no biographical information about Corbyn's early life or his long parliamentary career, which to me made for incomplete reading.
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We need to say something about Corbyn's objection to air strikes in Syria, particularly as his position on the matter is at odds with most of his parliamentary party. Of importance at this stage would be to mention the parliamentary debate of yesterday and the subsequent letter he sent to his MPs
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I think you may be being disingenuous, but the point is, can you be a committed and actual socialist and at the same time still be more than a millionaire, own property or even very expensive property, and have an income around three times the average for full-time workers and presumably several
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This whole debate is ridiculous, and reminds me a bit of a former acquaintance who, when he saw me using an ATM and knowing my political views, said: "Ah, I see you're not too socialist to have a bank account." Jeremy Corbyn has been a member of the Labour Party for about 50 years and currently
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answer to the question as worded. Other proposals made or mentioned during the discussion did not receive sufficient comment. Although more RfC(s) may be needed before a consensus can be declared on a specific wording or compromise solution, participants are encouraged to continue to discuss and
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I agree, I saw this pic on flickr a few weeks ago and completely ignored it..firstly its from a video and not an actual picture and we cannot be sure of the actual licence for it as well..and since its a video, the quality is more a .png than a .jpg thus more of a still that a picture and not
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It is mentioned briefly in archive 1 from September. I found it was a copyvio by seeing that Global Justice Now mentioned a Channel 4 interview and then watching that video. There are lots of videos and images around of Corbyn on Flickr/Youtube etc that are tagged wrongly so it is worth being
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Ah, I see you're setting up the dispute that will follow if there's another no consensus. In reality-land, the "first time" is not a consensus version, and we won't default to that. If there's no consensus (because one "side" rejects a reasonable compromise), then the dispute will persist.
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I'm adding the below text to the section on his leadership of the Labour Party, which seems the most appropriate place for it. Disagreements with his Shadow Cabinet and potentially much of his party certainly warrant inclusion, but we can probably wait until tomorrow to see how that actually
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Consensus on Knowledge (XXG) does not mean unanimity (which, although an ideal result, is not always achievable); nor is it the result of a vote. Decision-making involves an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Knowledge (XXG)'s policies and
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The pic was edited and suggested in good faith, based on its Creative Commons License. I was unable to find any reference to it or Global Justice Now in this page's Archives. I am interested to know what tool you used to spot that this pic was a potential screen grab of a TV
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You're possibly in over your head here. There are different types of property as treated in Marxist theory -- in particular, personal vs. private. Quite pertinent here. As for pensions: www.blacksacademy.net/content/3047.html. Bottom line here: your proposed edit lacks
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92.29.117.56 Again Simply ...Socialism is not against Private Property. Socialism maybe critical of unchecked and unbalanced wealth, it may support fairer more equal society but no where does it seek to banish wealth or oppose that some people might be better of than
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Anyway, I propose an addition of "As an MP for over 33 years, Corbyn has built up a pension pot of around Ā£1.6 million." No comment on his views, no mention of his housing or MPs salary and no claiming that he is a hypocrite. Would this be objectionable to anyone?
3245:- we have had these arguments before on many articles particularly whith mass changing from one to the other and the consensus I believed in these matters was just leave it alone as either is correct and I understand that it has been England in this article first. 1937:-- it's a mystery to me why we wouldn't give readers (some of whom might not understand the subtleties of the situation) easily-viewed information re what (sovereign) country Corbyn was born in -- and indeed what country he might someday be prime minister of. 565:
I admit I have just learnt of the term pacificism as opposed to pacifismĀ :) While I agree that the former term would appear to be bang on correct, I also do fear that many readers (& media that taps into Knowledge (XXG)) might confuse it for the latter
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In many Canadian & American bio infoboxes, 'Canada' & 'United States' are omitted. So seeing British bio infoboxes omit 'United Kingdom', isn't overly shocking. However, I still prefer we add the United Kingdom here, per reasons already mentioned.
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but it was removed as non-encyclopaedic. I can see that it may seem like trivia, but it is important to note that Corbyn is not against all wars as some have suggested. I have clearly not written it well and would welcome suggestions/further discussion.
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While attending a London derby between Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal at The Emirates he was approached by a Spurs fan "I'm a Spurs fan Mr Corbyn, you got to be our primeminister you have to be. Corbyn replies "even from a Spurs fan...I'll do my best"
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he has a pension worth Ā£1.6 million and lives in a house worth Ā£600000, in addition to an income of over Ā£75000 per year. So he is a millionaire and has an annual income which is about three times the national average for full-time employed workers.
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Why exactly is 'Chippenham, England, United Kingdom' worse? It satisfies the arguments of two groups of editors who are unable to agree whether england or the united kingdom is correct; it does not duplicate, contradict & it is only a tiny bit
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At the moment the votes are 8 for the united kingdom, 6 for England, voting has been open for about 4 days. How much more time is it reasonable for the voting to take place. Can we suggest a cut off date? ( sorry my pad is not letting me sign atm)
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A few images of Corbyn at the Stop Trident demo have appeared on Flickr although none are perfect. I prefer this one to the current pink infobox image when it is at the same size. It's a shame Tariq Ali was hanging around in the background.
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The Weekly Bull has a shot of Jeremy Corbyn arriving at the Refugees Welcome Here demo - London 12 Sept 2015. It is sharable for non-commercial but not remixable (not sure if cropping constitutes a remix). Or we could ask them permission?
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You have a good point, particularly when it comes to Scotland and Northern Ireland. I am tempted to suggest we could use UK since we're talking about a politician at UK level, but again that couldn't be applied to everyone in the Commons,
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Concur with AusLondonder. There are many of these particular bios' that use the United Kingdom. I wish all of them were consistent. But past experiences in these areas, tells me that there'd be a massive struggle to achieve that end.
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But, I'm not so keen. As England is at least a country. And we also have counties, of course. I also now see that {{Infobox officeholder}} doesn't even mention UK - it's all US centric. So not much point looking for any advice there!
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It's likely that's a rarely checked email, or used for certain things only. It would be better to use his MPs email address on the HoC website, or his constituency site, or to even try messaging his Facebook page. Hope this helps!!
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Maybe we should leave things as they stand, if someone objects or changes the info box, we could have a four way RfC .. just Chippenham UK, just Chippenham England, just Chippenham or Chippenham England UK. I think that covers all
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I agree with this comment - if it is not a label which Corbyn himself has accepted, then we should be very reluctant to look to add it here. It is sufficient to describe his views in terms he has expressed - that is quite clear.
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I think this is worth mentioning in a subsection of policies and views since it is an opinion he has expressed, and one he is unlikely to change. But I do agree that we should wait before deciding what to include in the article.
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If you look carefully at the image there are areas which are very blurred, this is typical of the poor quality image you get from a screen capture of a compressed video, that in itself would flag up that it is likely copyvio.
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Yes, a good image. The restrictions say "remix, transform, or build upon". I would have thought that "transform" might include cropping. But there must be some general CC-license guidelines which explain these terms?
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I also dislike the previous image and prefer the new one, but as discussed previously the Global Justice Now image appears to be a screengrab from a Channel 4 interview. I have nominated it for deletion on Commons.
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Am I wrong in thinking that one of the pillars of socialism is not owning personal property, so all socialists should rent their homes preferably from the state. In addition his wife is a successful businesswoman.
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I viewed earlier on just before I posted said United Kingdom, so I can't help thinking it was changed to England just to support your argument. I'm going to change it back since I doubt it was done with consensus.
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The single strongest argument for listing precise political subdivisions is that the same place name may be found in multiple such divisions. Addressing a postcard to someone in "Springfield. USA" is guaranteed
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To me the awfulness of the current pic is so bad, that it looks like it is done on purpose. It needs to be replaced ASAP. Anyways here is a quick and unskilled edit of creative commons pic I found on flicker.
2466:- make decisions based on what is sensible, not whatever the first to edit arbitrarily picked. If the first edit said 'the milky way', would we stick with that - it is quite accurate, no reason to change. -- 1865:
explore specifically worded compromise solutions(s) (such as a combination of "UK" and "England") which make a sincere effort to both reduce the divisiveness on the issue, and reach an achievable consensus.
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PM's current proposal for air strikes in Syria will protect our security and therefore cannot support it." However, on 30 November Corbyn announced that Labour MPs would be given a free vote on air strikes.
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Nice image but we cant use non-free images so I have removed it, the image is not free enough to use on wikipedia as the source shows a non-commerical licence it will probably be deleted from commons soon.
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It is redundant. Those of us who don't care (much) whether we have England or United Kingdom don't want to see "England, United Kingdom". (What I would prefer is "Chippenham, Wiltshire".) AllĀ theĀ best:
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The inconsistency is enshrined and is well summed up in the essay I already mentioned, which specifically cautions against well-meaning attempts to enforce "consistency". Nothing good will come of it. --
1241:. Don't see why it has to be cast as "a political choice". In fact, as I'm pretty sure Ghmyrtle had no intention to make a political choice, how exactly can this be misconstrued as a political choice? 550:) thought this was what had been linked to originally. I don't think it should be in there without an explanation of what pacificism is, which would be difficult in a lead which is already fairly long. 1113:
Why did you remove UK? "More specific" wasn't a good reason, imo. Is it an ideological thing? (For me it isn't -- I didn't replace UK, I just left out the country until something could be agreed.)
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Since the two terms mean different things, the idea that one might be more widely understood than the other is not relevant. I doubt that either is particularly well understood outside the UK anyway.
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also gets used a lot so maybe that's the way to go, including a section discussing its pros and cons. How good it is I don't know, but perhaps the answer to this question might be found in the book
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It may not be redundant for everyone. How much does that really matter. Plus it satisfies both the reasoned arguments here for England and/or the U.K. Why does it have to be one or the other?
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AFAICT only four editors noted favouring excluding the county and/or a country. A four way RfC would guarantee a 'no consensus' close again, in which case we would return to the default of
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I would also like to add, he is obviously only controversial because some sources publicly say he is. Among those sources who do say he is with most noise are the Press. Have a look at the
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I agree with John that trying to enforce uniformity or consistency always ends in tears. Whatever it originally said, leave it at that. If I had a preference, it would be UK per GoodDay.
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I think it's the other way round actually. Fifty years ago, it wouldn't have been remotely controversial to describe English things as English, but now everything has to be 'British'.
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use labels to describe people's views, but it may not be so simple in this case. We also can't skirt around the observation that most readers will mistake the term for "pacifism". --
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I don't think it is a particularly wrong assumption. If someone is referring to a part of the UK outside England they will pretty much always specify. No-one would say Glasgow, UK.
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Has anyone had any luck at all regarding a temporary picture we could use, or any information back from the Corbyn/Labour leadership team? If not, lets hope something happens re
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I think this is worse than before - it may capture his personality, but he is also the leader of HM Opposition, and should be given a more professional picture to honour that.
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Compare the relative clarity of his right (our left) eye to the whole area around the outside of his left (our right) eye, including the end of his eyebrow. You might find
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colour corrected pictures. Could someone with photoshop skills maybe edit it and correct the colours a bit so it isn't as dire if there's still no free alternative? Thanks
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I haven't seen a good argument from anyone for leaving any part of the information out. Town, County, Country State (shortened to UK to avoid excess space in the infobox.
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I added the following text: In 2015, the Huffington Post asked Corbyn to name conflicts other than the Second World War that he thought were justified. Corbyn named the
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following the prime minister's statement in which Corbyn stated that he would continue with efforts "to reach a common view" on Syria, while Shadow Foreign Secretary
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Yes I agree with that. Setting aside whatever happens tomorrow the fact he came out openly against military action is now a major political event of his leadership.
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ability seems to me to make a pension marketable wealth as well. On the second point, you imply that socialists can own property yet still be socialists. But the
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articles say that socialists are opposed to the ownership of property, saying instead that property should only be held by worker's cooperatives or the state. .
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92.29.117.56 You significantly misunderstand socialism. Simply Socialism is not anti wealth. If you have an political axe to grind, its melting to your fingers.
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Yes, you are wrong in your definition of socialism. You're also wrong about where Corbyn falls in the wealth distribution. The figures you link to pertain to
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across all British bio articles infoboxes. It's likely that these things will need to be handled article-by-article. IMHO, we should use 'United Kingdom' here.
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for example, who is a member of the UK's third largest parliamentary party, but who would regard himself as having been born in Scotland rather than the UK.
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Would others agree that it is relevant, particularly given his political views, to record that he is a wealthy man by most people's standards? According to
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Corbyn suggested that the only way to deal with the threat posed by the jihadist group would be to reach a political settlement aimed at resolving the
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born in "Glasgow, UK" might well result in an impact being felt upon your nose. There is a quite noticeable amount in pride of individual country
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England is a political choice here. It should clearly neutrally describe the state as UK just like David Cameron and many many other articles do. --
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I'm an American, but just out of curiosity, why is Corbyn a controversial figure? I've heard that some members of Parliament don't like him. Why? --
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of Socialism was spelled with a capital C, wasn't it? I don't think Corbyn's is one of the "abstruse varieties of theoretical socialism", is it?
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the Canadian (post-1867), American (post-1776) & British bios (post-1801), respectively. For the British bio infoboxes (1714-1800), we'd use
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To Daicaregoes & Ghmyrtle. It's not up to me, as to what gets added, deleted or replaced. It's best to allow others to weigh in. PS - We can
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is being currently written is speculation and misdirection, I think it would be reasonable to wait and see what, if anything, comes of it all. --
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Sorry, even at fully screen, it looks to me like it could be a still photo. Yes, the left side of his face is in shadow. You obviously have a
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Ah, great. We just now need to check the infoboxes for all UK politicians, to find earliest form. And whatever the earliest one was, wins!
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Are you speaking generally, or just in the context of Knowledge (XXG) politician bio infoboxes? I think it will always depend on context.
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What astonishes me is how some editors are so committed and determined to spend so much time engaging in the de-legitimisation of the UK
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FWIW, concerning this topic, there's inconsistency across the infoboxes of the UK opposition leaders, who've never been prime minister.
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I strongly disagree, the current picture is far more representative of the subject than the previous very artificial looking picture.
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If anything, 'UK' is the political choice. England is a geographical region, whereas the United Kingdom is a political nation state.
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is British (or UK), but what this concerns is his birthplace - which is, as a matter of simple and undeniable fact, within England.
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Well, if you open an RfC and gain consensus, I guess you could have your way. Not sure where that RfC would be best placed, though.
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Um, no, I wasn't suggesting you should. But that's a general Knowledge (XXG) article, not advice on the use of infobox parameters?
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Then I'd suggest The Americans were usually wrong. What has this got to do with the amount of money that Corbyn has in the bank?
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be used as a rule - in the case at hand, postal county. The point, moreover, is that "UK" is insufficient in too many cases.
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There are no Chippenhams in Wales, Scotland or NI (as far as I know), so how does putting England rather than UK help here?
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rejoices in the title of "Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition", not to mention that he named one of his pet cats
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was born in United Kingdom. I haven't checked other opposition leaders, but no doubt the results would be just as divided.
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refers to himself or herself as "English" (etc.) and "UK" where they evince no such national identification personally.
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This is simply to do with the geographical location of Wiltshire - it is not to do with his nationality or the guidance at
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I tend to be of the opinion that whatever country the article stated originally is the one that should stand. I note that
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Actually, no we wouldn't. Still unanswered though. Why do you want to use UK and not England? Do you have a valid reason?
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a part of the UK and we shouldn't be exacerbating that. If people want to know where Wiltshire is, they can click on it.
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I removed 'United Kingdom' in the infobox, replacing it with the more specific and equally correct 'England'. Two users,
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A similar question could be asked of Christians, but that would also be irrelevant. This has descended to the scope of
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I've no intentions of changing this infobox's birth-country entry. That'll be up to other editors here to decide. I do
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No problem, four supports and one against in five days of open chat seems a reasonable point to change the consensus.
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If it were up to me, I'd have Salmond's birthplace changed to 'United Kingdom', aswell. Now that he's a member of the
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I must be one of those people who "still don't know that England is not a part of the UK". Would you care to rephrase?
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There's nothing wrong with either UK or England, but it's nonsensical to have neither. England is more specific, and
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being the sovereign state. That's why I proposed a consensus which could be 'Chippenham, England, United Kingdom'
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Very trained. Sad we will prob have to go back to the awful pic. If we do I will try to contact Corbyn's office.
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In my opinion, examples should also be considered as best practices if they are not challenged for good reasons.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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per Gaia Octavia Agrippa's reasoning. Would also support "citizenship = United Kingdom" parameter being added.
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p.s. and I doubt that the Corbyn family is very high on the list for a council house tenancy in Finsbury Park?
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no decision is reached on which to use (England or United Kingdom), we always have the option of using both.
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Anybody interested in opening up an Rfc on the proposed compromise? Or could we try for a local consensus?
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So {{Infobox officeholder}} says that? I thought it just gives "{{{birth_place}}}"? with no advice at all.
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To that end, I suggest we use "England" (or "Scotland" or "Ireland" or "Wales" or "Man") where the person
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Are we sure about the licence on this one - it is definitely another screenshot of a high-def video? --
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I think the alternative here is awful. I don't love the current one, but this isn't an improvement.
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Time to meet each other half-ways. I have no problems with using both England & the UK, together.
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Much better than the current photo, even with Tariq; and shows better Corbyn's campaigning persona
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has failed to achieve consensus and would undoubtedly fail again. We are left with the options of
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parameter, as this Rfc is still in progress. Stick around though, your idea just might take hold.
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This Rfc has been open for just about a full month now. Does anyone agree with the compromise?
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Sure -- but it's no less true that his birthplace is in the UK. Why is this such a big deal?
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Maybe we can get all MP's info-boxes to include a drop-down image of last year's tax returns??
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Thanks. I guess aiming also for US/UK consistency here is perhaps a little over-ambitious.
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that the United Kingdom be added to all the infoboxes of UK opposition leaders, however.
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for all the Prime Ministers aswell. Of course, this is a decision to be made by others.
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Gaia's reasoning seems sound to me. Plus "England" is the more widely understood term.
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I see. But where exactly does it state that? Could you copy what it says here? Thanks.
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I agree this would be an improvement. Not great, but less bad than the current one.
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This RfC was closed with a compromise which is "Chippenham, Wiltshire, England, UK"
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Obama will meet Corbyn in April when he visits UK..we can get a good picture then..--
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UGH. That's what I get for not reading through what I type. Thanks for the heads up.
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To add to the bottom of 'Personal Life' after mentioning favourite Arsenal players..
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I agree. Why not give simple and full information. So far the only argument against
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Yes. It's a factoid that doesn't add value, except via implication of some sort.
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Could you possibly point these areas out to those of us who don't have eyes like
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the only people that care about this is nationalist editors that dislike the UK.
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have either 'Wales', 'Scotland' or 'Northern Ireland' / 'Ireland' (pre-1920's).
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I think this says everything we need to know about birth place for an infobox.
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might be a good place to start. On another note, there is probably scope for a
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And there is a "Chippenham Park" (various names) in Monmouth, Wales <g: -->
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I agree, most people would say UK when asked their country of birth/residence
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It might be Great and maybe we could all be United. But I doubt it too.
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No problem. Didn't think it was what you meant ... but you never know.
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Well of course you'd say that. But please don't take us for fools.
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Yes, do. He needs to get that wonky left eye looked at pronto.
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Why? What is the reason you think we should use UK?
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2328: 2326: 2322: 2318: 2314: 2313:beat me to it 2309: 2308: 2306: 2302: 2298: 2293: 2288: 2287: 2281: 2277: 2273: 2268: 2267: 2266: 2263: 2258: 2253: 2252:David Cameron 2249: 2246: 2245: 2210: 2205: 2204: 2203: 2199: 2195: 2191: 2190: 2187: 2183: 2181: 2176:which states 2175: 2171: 2167: 2166: 2165: 2161: 2157: 2153: 2152: 2150: 2146: 2142: 2138: 2137: 2136: 2132: 2128: 2124: 2123: 2120: 2115: 2114: 2113: 2109: 2105: 2100: 2099: 2096: 2090: 2087: 2085: 2081: 2077: 2072: 2069: 2065: 2059: 2056: 2054: 2050: 2046: 2041: 2038: 2034: 2029: 2024: 2023: 2021: 2017: 2013: 2009: 2004: 2003: 2002: 2001: 1996: 1991: 1988: 1986: 1982: 1978: 1974: 1971: 1969: 1965: 1961: 1957: 1956:David Cameron 1953: 1950: 1948: 1944: 1940: 1936: 1933: 1931: 1927: 1923: 1919: 1915: 1912: 1911: 1907: 1902: 1898: 1894: 1891: 1890: 1887: 1876: 1872: 1868: 1863: 1852: 1848: 1844: 1842: 1823: 1819: 1815: 1811: 1807: 1803: 1799: 1795: 1791: 1787: 1786: 1785: 1781: 1777: 1773: 1772: 1771: 1767: 1763: 1755: 1754: 1753: 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