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I'm beginning a long trip in a couple of days, so I may not be able to engage well here. I'm responding to, "... some material that
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3 million new homes for the illegals 3 million homes to a planning board means 6.2 million kids in the school systems and without 3million new jobs they are creatin a welfare state paid by the local taxpayers, is the 3 million homes for the taxpayers or the illegals only no planning board will
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