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I'm thinking this might need to be restructured. I've found a whole bunch more info on NASA's site, and even before I add it, this section is still looking a bit long and a list-like. It's turning into, at this point, into a bunch of unlinked statements. Also, she has recently done some work with ESA
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I have restored the reference to Meir growing up in Caribou, Maine, which is included in the list of categories. I have also restored the reference to her service as an aquanaut (on NEEMO 4), which is also included in the categories and illustrated in one of the photos. The article was originally one
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Considering the fact that the Astronaut Class of 2013 has completed training quite some time ago, it is no longer proper to call them 'Astronaut candidates' rather they should be called 'Astronauts' which is only right. This is true for all 'Astronaut candidates' of the Class of 2013 and probably of
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satisfactory mention the subject only peripherally. I'm going to do some homework here to see if I can find anything acceptable in the way of sources. I invite interested parties to do the same. The current webcruft has to be struck from sources and moved to external links, where it belongs. I will
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material, for example regarding her employment at NASA, which is sourced with a personal webpage and some NSF public relations websites. Even at this, it seems there is little left and there is really no credible claim of notability. Perhaps this should be notability-tagged, but I'll defer that for
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Dozens of astronauts have celebrated religious festivals in space, but (with the possible exception of firsts), this isn't mentioned in their articles. There's nothing any more fundamentally noteworthy about a Jewish astronaut celebrating Hanukkah in space than there is about a Christian astronaut
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Whiteman L (May 10, 2011) "Modern "Mother Goose" Attempts to Unravel the Flight of the Bar-Headed Goose" LiveScience. PR-piece written by NSF employee (see above) to promote funded work, cf. "This work, funded by a National Science Foundation International Research Fellowship Program grant...":
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Meir's article has been around for a while, i.e. well before she became an astronaut candidate. Her notability was questionable at that time (2 AfDs ending in "no consensus"), so this this particular case is really more of a coincidence with respect to national bias. However, I agree with what
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celebrating Christmas in space. Sure, you have a reliable source that mentions the fact, but trivial facts are regularly mentioned in reliable sources and that doesn't make those facts any less trivial or any more worthy of inclusion in Knowledge (XXG), as explained on the
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which I don't think ought to fall under the category of 'NASA career'. Maybe 'Aerospace career'? 'Spaceflight career'? I'd appreciate a little guidance/advice because I'm a little unsure; since I'm a relatively new user. Thanks :)
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Williams CL (2011) "What triggers the aerobic dive limit? Patterns of muscle oxygen depletion during dives of emperor penguins" J. Exp. Biol. 214, 1802-1812. peer-reviewed article, establishes Meir's area of work:
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that of 2015 as well. A new class was recently selected in June 2017. I understand that some members of the Astronaut Class of 2013 have already been assigned to future ISS missions. Please see <
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There seems to be a national bias there. I have noticed that Astronaut Candidates from NASA, ESA or Canada get immediately their article, but this is not the case for Russian cosmonaut candidates.
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I thought it was the convention to not call someone an astronaut (cosmonaut, taikonaut, etc.) until they've actually traveled to space, which Meir has not. Is that not the case anymore? --
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The above changes were made. Almost everything moved to "external links" was used in a multiple citation context, so very little text was lost. The remaining sources are now in line with
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Yasuda M (July 6, 2011). "Elephant Seals - Earthguide". Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Scripps public-relations web-piece "With content provided by Jessica Meir...":
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Knight K (May 12, 2011) "Penguins continue diving long after muscles run out of oxygen". ScienceDaily LLC. a "news and views" piece derived from J. Exp. Biol. article by
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Scott GR et al "Point: Counterpoint "High Altitude is / is not for the Birds!". J. App. Physiol., in press. peer-reviewed article, establishes Meir's area of work:
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The article has now gone through back-to-back AfDs, both ending in no-consensus. The main problem is that there are still lots of sources that are not
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It would be quite funny if she eventually became the first woman on the Moon and had been proposed for deletion (twice) by Knowledge (XXG).
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Kwok R (April 24, 2011) "Secrets of the world's extreme divers" Science News for Kids. web-zine, but appears to be independent of Meir:
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Arnold C (April 15, 2011) "Sky's No Limit in High-Flying Goose Chase" U.S. News & World Report. news article independent of Meir:
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Rosbif73—you are pointing out something that is not applicable to the subject of the article. It doesn't matter that she is
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of a long series I wrote on aquanauts (especially those from the NEEMO missions) who did not previously have articles.
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The recent AfD ended in no consensus (default to keep), but there is almost universal recognition that the article is
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D'Aliesio R (May 26, 2011) "Extreme trekkers, citizen scientists" Globe and Mail. news article independent of Meir:
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Whiteman L (February 15, 2011) "Into Thin Air". NSF public-relations web-piece promoting work funded by them.
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only applies once you've flown. At any rate, this does not seem to be an issue at the moment. Thanks,
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sourced (i.e. no more web pages or Youtube videos) and we can go from there. Thanks so much,
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I don't know whether there is consensus on such a point, as there is at least some past
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I see two problems here. First, you're adding details on a BLP having no real
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She is now a NASA astronaut so I guess this solves the issue of notability.
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This article is still problematic, as almost none of the sources are
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