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637: 314:. I agree with Zsero in this case because it is obvious that the burial site of the 6th and 7th Lubavitcher Rebbes, with their wives and many other family members has become a holy place and place of pilgrimage for Jews from all walks of life from all over the world, is very important in the pantheon of not just Chabad but of all Jewry. The numbers of Jews who visit there DAILY is staggering! I have been there myself and seen it. It's sort of surprising that Yoninah has issues with this, because she is an expert on Breslov and the 179: 158: 596: 189: 74: 53: 84: 22: 409:. And if I thought the article would stay as short as it is forever, I would advocate that. But the proper solution is to put an {{expand}} tag on it and give people time. People are busy, and collecting sources can be tedious, and the Wiki will not collapse if a short article remains short for a few years. -- 870:
I saw the post at the help desk. "Ohel" by itself is out due to the dab page, so we need more for the title. When you look at the sources having Ohel and Chabad, most of them use Ohel Chabad-Lubavitch. However, that seems to be in the context of "Ohel Chabad-Lubavitch, a ramshackle building next to
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seems to me to be a mishmash of an article, dealing with several different topics that are united only by sharing a title; it's really a sort of combination of a disambiguation page with the sub-articles that are normally linked from one. Or perhaps a dictionary entry with examples. Perhaps it
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On the contrary, this article needs to be greatly expanded. This particular ohel has had significant coverage in reliable sources, its own issues, and there's a lot to say about it; someone with more specific knowledge than I do will eventually take up that task, but I don't feel up to it.
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WP is not a dictionary, and it's certainly not a Hebrew dictionary. The origin of the term can be described in a section, because that's relevant to this usage, but other uses aren't really relevant. But there is also the Ohel social services agency, which for some reason is at
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article last year, it seems to me that this stub belongs in its own paragraph in that article, and the external links will also fit in the external links section of that article. Otherwise, this article is somewhat of an orphan; the
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At least from going out of the ohel house (where information desk is located), it really does look to be too narrow to fit those measurements of 53+ in (i.e. enough space on both sides of the adult kohen attempting passage).
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It is all very simple. The official name of the Ohel, as it appears from the website, is "Ohel Chabad-Lubavitch". Period. Why Chabad is Chabad and not Chabad-Lubavitch or just Lubavitch, those are unrelated questions.
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into a discussion of just shelters over graves, and then put the other definitions lower down in the article? There doesn't seem to be enough to say about each section to make each one even a stub. Thank you,
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IZAK and Zsero: Thank you for your comments. I was only pointing out that this page has been sitting at two paragraphs for two years, with no references, so I thought it could be merged to
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In the absence of any references to the "kohen box" and the Chabad Ohel, and the generality of the information included here, I'm going ahead and deleting the section again.
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which do not seem to be about the religious shrine itself. One reference refers to "the Ohel-Chabad, the Queens resting place of the sixth and seventh Lubavitcher rebbes."
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Hello DESiegel. Yes, I was aware ofthat. The reason I didn't mention it is that the common name is just "the Ohel", without anything more, so that is not the issue here.
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too, the article cites an approximate figure, and doesn't relate that the figure decreases when there is a partition of ten tefachs high, should we change this?--
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The "Kohanim" section that you added to the article is completely unreferenced. Could you provide sources to back up these statements? Thanks,
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the "official name" of something is often not preferred if that is not its most commonly used and known name. I came her from the
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should be broken up into several stubs, some of which would remain stubs and others would eventually be expanded. --
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for other objects that contain the name "Chabad Lubavitch". For them, the common name may still be the full version.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20120125005705/http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/36247/jewish/Overview.htm
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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Hi, the material you're adding is quite generalized and is appropriate for any page about a gravesite or
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page. If you have something sourced specifically to the Chabad Ohel, please add it with a cite. Thanks,
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The kohen box may be an invention invented at the rebbe's ohel..i mean, im not sure but it may be?--
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Hi Yoninah, The deleted content relates to the Chabad Ohel as kohen visitors are likely to use the "
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Your logic is flawed, and that is what I tried to explain above. Yes, "Chabad" is the common name
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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
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are all pages that have the Chabad template on it, not any mention of the Rebbe's Ohel.
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Image depiction of minimal four tefach requirement at pathway entry to ohel
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and have no knowledge or opinion about the specific merits of this issue.
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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/36247/jewish/Overview.htm
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website uses the name "Ohel Chabad Lubavitch" (but without the dash).
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to the grave of Rebbe Nachman at Uman, would she merge that into
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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pathway measurement less than adequate for kohen to pass
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Rosh Hashana kibbutz#Pilgrimage established by Reb Noson
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