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WOW I wish there were timestamps on the comments! IBM acquiring Red Hat software for $ 34 BILLION puts to rest the notion FOSS didn't have impact. It's true "Open Source" was used and abused as a marketing term, and it's a shame the public doesn't know about the near simultaneous "Open
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