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Probably, intended meaning here was something like this. Considered theories in first order arithmetical languages, have standard axiomatizations by schemes, where parameters ranges over some classes of formulas. Languages of such theories could be extended by family of unary predicates and schemes
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There are several ways of defining "proof theoretic strength". One way is to say that T is stronger than S if T proves Con(S). Another is the say T is stronger than S if the ordinal of T is larger than S. These are very related but not identical. But if there is no better place for "proof theoretic
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The article claims that something called Rudimentary Function Arithmetic has ordinal omega^2. But there's no citation of where that information comes from, Knowledge doesn't have an article on that system of arithmetic, and if you Google the phrase "Rudimentary Function Arithmetic", you only get
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Hi. I am curious about the redirect from proof-theoretic strength. I don't see why it is here. Sure, they are closely related, but from what I've seen, the proof-theoretic strength is not usually defined by the proof-theoretic ordinal. Rather, one logic is stronger than another if it proves more
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Hmm. Maybe it is worth starting an article on that topic, then. Do you have anything in mind for large cardinal axioms except that they tend to be linearly ordered by consistency strength? Because the consistency strength of subsystems of artithmetic is equally interesting in that case. — Carl
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I don't understand this well enough to add anything to the article about it yet, but it looks relevant. It is an approach to ordinal analysis on very weak (e.g. polynomially bounded) arithmetic systems for which the usual approach is too coarse.
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could be extended by extending classes of formulas by allowing new predicates in atomic formulas. But because I am not familiar with calculations of proof-theoretic ordinal of some mentioned weak theories (for example IΔ
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This page would be greatly improved if there were a specific citation for the ordinal of each of the listed theories (e.g. where one can find the proof that I\Sigma_1 is w^w, etc).
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ordinal analysis. The interesting thing here is that his analysis shows that a theory, say PA, has a different ordinal than PA + Con(PA), two theories which the more traditional Π
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Is that really right? I can see how they might be related to each other but a little more explanation would be helpful (maybe in the ELEMENTARY article). Thanks.
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The table contains links to reference footnotes, up to reference number sixteen. However, under notes, there is no reference number sixteen.
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I see that "elementary function arithmetic", a proof system with ordinal strength ω, is linked to to
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concept). Lev Beklemishev has introduced and explored a finer (as in less coarse) notion of Π
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Good question, I'd like to know this as well. I imagine it's some minor variation on IΔ
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It also might be worth noting that the proof-theoretic ordinals defined here are the Π
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Edit: Also a Googology Wiki talk page, but this was a suggestion for a name of ψ
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I asked someone who made a list of proof-theoretic ordinals and they said that
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references to this Knowledge article. So can we get a source for this?
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I will need to search in other places to see if I've missed any sources
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The current definition of proof-theoretic ordinal in the article is Π
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Some of these names appear to have no reliable external source:
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strength" to redirect it may as well redirect here. — Carl
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