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and makes it unclear what topic we are discussing in the article. You admit that it is a confusing issue; naturally, we should do whatever we can to make it as clear as possible. The status of the proposed state of
Palestine doesn't affect this discussion. Even if the UN Partition had been accepted by the Arabs and the Arab nations had never invaded Israel in 1948 and the state of Palestine had come to be right then and there and the state existed side by side with Israel in peace to this day, this issue would still be the same. There is confusion because of the historical region known as "Palestine". Something must be done to differentiate. That is where the differences today come into play. Since the proposed state is still not officially in de facto existence, the term Palestinian territories has come into wide use in the media and other reliable sources. Therefore, as of the facts on the ground today, this is the best term for us to use to avoid the ambiguity. In the future, this may change. But all we can deal with here is the present. And you know very well that the edits I have made are based on reliable sources, not my own personal "view of what the correct terminology to use in the article should be". You seem to be very eager to put words in my mouth today. Why make such audacious assumptions about what I think and believe? You don't even know me...
2083:. This article focuses primarily on the PNA, PLO, and other subjects related to what is today called the Palestinian Territories, Occupied Territories, or by a handful of other names. If the content focused on ancient Palestine, Palestine under the Ottomans, Palestine under the British, and the modern state of Israel, then "Palestine" alone, as a geographic term, would be alright. But, as the article does not focus on the geographical Palestine, but on the political entity known as Palestine, more properly and commonly known as the Occupied Territories, Palestinian Territories, or by a handful other names, one of those names should be used. When the day comes that the territories become a fully independent nation-state, we can start calling it "Palestine", but for now they are still part of Israel, still not independent, still Territories.
2885:. Rather than repeating my reasoning for the hundredth time, I will refer you to the discussion above. In short, this outline deals with the West Bank and Gaza Strip (AKA Palestinian territories), not the historical region known as "Palestine". "Outline of Palestine" is misleading and will confuse readers who may be looking for information about the historic region, instead of the modern territories. I would be willing to consider supporting a move to "Outline of the West Bank and Gaza Strip" if someone could convince me that it's more appropriate; however, at this point it is very clear that "Palestinian territories" is the most unambiguous and natural term for the outline.
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features of the State of
Palestine - how should we define its territory? Who are its citizens? Do they include the Jewish settlers? Do they include expatriate Palestinians? There is no state-registrar that can answer these questions. The Palestinian Territories is a term much better defined which became a de facto entity with the signing of the Oslo Accords. As for the region called Palestine, it stretches over Israel, the Palestinian Territories, southern Lebanon and western Jordan. Palestine as a region is by no mean equivalent to Palestine in the political context. The name is the same, due to certain historical circumstances, but the meaning is different.
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1350:: "Strictly speaking, the phrase Palestinian Territories refers to the areas that fall under the administration of the Palestinian Authority. They are difficult to work out, because of the way the West Bank was divided into complex security zones under the Oslo Accords and because of changes on the ground since the outbreak of violence in September 2000. The phrase is not the most accurate shorthand for the Occupied Territories although President Bush referred to "Palestinian territories" in his 2005 State of the Union address."
1508:(my recent response there). ISO uses the term "Palestinian Territory, Occupied". UN-affiliated organizations usually use the term "Occupied Palestinian Territories" in reference to the WB&Gaza. Most worldwide NGOs use either OPT or PT in reference to the WB&Gaza (again the links are either here above or on the aforementioned talk page). I think there cannot be any doubt that "Palestinian Territories" is the most neutral term for the subject in question, and it definitely does not constitute and original research.
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and yet you fail to provide sources to that. You take sources that debate the issue or refer to it in an indecisive manner and give them an interpretation that fits your views. Then you write this view as if it was the source's view, which is not the case. When people point out that you did not prove your point, you say: the State of
Palestine exists, now prove it is not. I am sorry, but it is you who bear the burden of truth here, and as I showed earlier, you fail to do so.
1880:. That has not however precluded people using the term, nor does it mean that it did not, or does not, exist. True, this ambiguity makes defining its territorial scope, both historically and in the present day, quite challenging. That does not mean we should avoid trying to do so. This outline does a not so bad job of covering some of the term's historical evolution. It could do better, and will, if people would just give other editors a chance to develop it more throughly.
1819:(or that we avoid the use of Israel since its boundaries are undefined and it actually forms part of the region of Palestine), Israeli editors can freely run around Knowledge (XXG) openly advocating that we ignore naming conventions and call Palestine by anything but its real and official name. I find this double standard disheartening to say the least. When such suggestions are seriously entertained by editors that I respect, I find it doubly so. With respect,
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flags and symbols from it. Palestine has a Jewish history (this is why the State of Israel is located there), not to mention its rich
Christian-European related history. You have to be consistent here - if you want to describe the region called Palestine, then you cannot present it as an Arab territory, or incorporate political symbols in it. If you want to refer to the geopolitical entity, then the correct name is "Palestinian Territories".
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offices in
Jerusalem as a remnant of that decision. The PLO and the PA have nothing to do with the British Mandate, both of them were established many years after the Mandate ended. If you want to write and article "Outline of the British Mandate of Palestine" be my guest, but don't mislead people to think that "Palestine", "British Mandate of Palestine", "Palestinian territories" and "Palestine Liberation Organization" are the same thing.
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3856:. The article Jenks24 assumes to be the parent article explicitly states the name change in the very first paragraph further supporting the obsolete nature of the former name. Both terms are also found within the article being requested for move which also details within it what has already been mentioned of the superior recognition of the UN adopted name and makes it far more appropriate to be the proper parent article.
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international agreement which stipulated that the territories detached from
Ottoman Turkey were newly created states, and they were subject to the customary laws of state succession. That fact was confirmed by the national and international courts of the day, and by the Courts of the State of Israel. Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne was cited in the recent PCA boundary arbitration between Eritrea/Yemen.
3308:. I have also move-protected the page, since I think the contention over this move request indicates it is inappropriate for a non-admin to move now. If any admin feels this is inappropriate, they should feel free to remove the protection. For now, we'd best let this RM run its course and come up with constructive solutions. Please avoid just rehashing the previous RM discussion, which was lengthy enough.
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2279:(save Transjordan, which is specifically defined as a special territory in the Article 25 of the charter). The Mandate charter specifically relates the territory to the Jewish People. The Mandate was completely dissolved, legally and practically, at midnight (local time) of 15 May 1948. Neither the UK nor the UN designated a successor to the Mandate (see the "Palestine Act, 1948" of the UK parliament).
938:. How do you understand this statement? If the PA thinks a state called Palestine already exists, why does he call to create such a state? He could have said "to liberate the state", "to resume sovereignty", "to realize independence", "to reestablish the state", and yet he chose a quite straightforward statement that contradicts your view. As for Abbas's statement, in this Washington Post report
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3413:. As a major contributor to this article under its original name, I'm deeply disappointed with the change in the article's name and scope. I leave it to other editors to maintain this article from now on. I won't have any part of a farcially named non-entity. The name of the country of the Palestinians is Palestine. This is how they are represented at the UN. Even places like
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immune from legal challenges by the former Arab owners in the Courts of
Palestine. He went on to say that those properties now belonged to the Government of Palestine because the natural interpretation of the Treaty of Lausanne was "that the imperial decrees had transferred properties of Sultan Abdul Hamid to the Ottoman State and that these properties were ceded to
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1414:. So first of all, the use of "Palestinian Territories" in reference to the WB&Gaza is not an OR. Secondly, There is no real distinction between "Palestinian Territory(ies)" and "Occupied Palestinian Territory(ies)". And finally, since both terms are used interchangeably, we should stick to "Palestinian Territories" as it is more neutral.
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terminology from "Palestine" in the article to "Palestinian territories" when dealing with sections that strictly refer to the
Palestinian territories, rather than to the entire historical region of "Palestine". (ie: "Education in Palestine" only deals with the Palestinian territories, and the article it links to is in fact
1432:) that using primary sources to make OR conclusions isn't the way Knowledge (XXG) works. You need sources that explicitly define "Palestinian territories" and "Occupied Palestinian territories" to refute the BBC deifnition provided. Examining how the terms used and interpreting them as you wish is not a substitute.
2922:, it had to be renamed to better describe its contents. Ucucha correctly gauged that one side made a convincing argument that the Outline's title should match the main article's title. The other side made an argument that... what exactly? Unless you can explain what Ucucha did wrong, I recommend dropping this. —
3226:, sorry, and SchuminWeb didn't do anything wrong. If, on the other hand, SchuminWeb agreed to revert the move due to a clear lack of consensus, I support him for doing so. Either way, I don't think his behavior should be called "embarassing" or "disappointing". Anyhow, sorry about confusion, if I caused any.
723:, Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 19, No. 1 (Autumn, 1989), pp. 14-31, University of California Press) because other states recognize its existence. Some of the other points are valid, but objecting to the name because "there is no Palestinian state" as others have argued is an argument without merit.
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Tiamut, the fact that
Palestine and Palestinian territories are not the same is exactly why this article was moved and why it should be rewritten. The previous version mixed up different meanings of the terms "Palestine" and "Palestinian territories" in a way that confused readers and sometime misled
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The
British Mandate of Palestine was not a state but rather a dependency governed from London. It had no successors per the UK Palestine Act 1948 and per the UK decision to hand over the public property to the UN on May 14, 1948 (the last day of the Mandate). The UN still owns the High Commissioner's
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An additional remark about the borders of Israel - Israel has an mutually recognized international border with Egypt and with Jordan. The UN has determined the Lebanese-Israeli border and it is honored by the two countries despite the conflict between them. Israel unilaterally defined its border with
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I don't have much to add to what I've already seen in this discussion, but it is very clear that this outline needs to either be renamed to "Outline of the Palestinian territories" or split into 2 separate outlines. If "Outline of Palestine" remains, it needs to be extremely different from what it is
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So if this country doesn't have any of a particular entry, like navies, please don't delete the entry. Instead, complete it with "none" (and a brief explanation as to why, for example, "- x is a landlocked country with no ports"). If the explanation exists in an article on Knowledge (XXG), then click
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While I appreciate your explanation, and you are correct that I am already aware of all of this, you have no right to tell me what I like or do not like. The only thing that matters is that this is misleading. I'm not saying that YOU are misleading anyone. But using this terminology misleads leaders
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The outline of Palestine's introduction explains these different definitions. It goes on to explaing that the focus of this outline is the State of Palestine (officially known simply as Palestine). If the subject confuses you, it is because it confusing. That's not a reason to aoid using the name by
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With all due respect, there is an official document by the PA that contradicts your theory plainly and simply. People say all kind of things when they make speeches. Israeli leaders often say that Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. In your opinion, does it settle the question on whether Jlm
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No I'm quoting the President of the PA who explicitly stated that the state already exists, and an article by Jerome Segal about the Fayyad plan. Nobody says that the state is independent, the plan is to end the occupation. You've already tried asking endless list of rhetorical questions in order to
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fault not his. If this is the case, and he didn't do it because he thought that the move was inappropriate (i.e. he just did it because of the template w/o looking at it) then I support moving it back until the conversation here is finished. I had done that hours before we had this discussion here,
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Is there a reason an uninvolved administrator who hasn't even bothered making a comment on this talk page has come in here and gone against the word of 2 other admins who both agreed that this move was warranted and had consensus? This is really embarrassing behaviour for a Knowledge (XXG) admin...
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Jrtayloriv, your comment that I am "one of the supporters of the move" is incorrect. I merely assessed consensus as being in favor of the move, which is what I am supposed to do in a move discussion. Your assessment of the consensus is apparently different. I never gave my own opinion on this move.
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I understand that the geographical region is also called Palestine and that that region also includes the modern day state of Israel, and perhaps Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria, depending on how broad a definition is used. That does not change the fact that the Palestinians country is named
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The Zionist Legal Secretary and Attorney General of Palestine, Norman Bentwich, explained a series of court decisions which held that the Ottoman decrees that had transferred property and possessions to the Civil Lists for the benefit of the public were sovereign acts of State. That meant they were
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territory from this article? The article Palestine could have referred to a state, had such a state existed. On the one hand you want us to adopt the UN naming, on the other you want us to treat "Palestine" as a state, unlike the UN. It seems as if you chose to adopt or ignore a source arbitrarily.
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The President of the United States uses Palestine and Palestinians to refer to the modern political entity. For example, here are some remarks from the Cairo University speech "That is in Israel's interest, Palestine's interest, America's interest, and the world's interest." and "At the same time,
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Harlan, what you are doing here is providing third-layer interpretation of your own to secondary sources that make a very broad interpretation for straightforward primary sources. The information is naturally heavily distorted along the way. You persistently claim there is a state called Palestine,
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The Outline is supposed to contain links to the articles that are related to the topic. Your suggestion that it be split is nonsensical. The State of Palestine is located in the the geographical area of Palestine and Israel is mentioned in the articles on Palestine, the Palestinian Territories, and
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It is not really a question of consensus. The current naming of the article is misleading and several editors pointed to that. Misleading names and terms are not acceptable even if many editors like them for some reason. We are not here to enjoy our ability to phrase. We try to convey information.
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This is a separate discussion with a different set of considerations and participants. It is determined on its own merits, and not by what happened at another page. Given that there is more opposition to a move in this discussion, I suppose that the reason for the hold up is that there is no clear
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The Palestinian territories are not part of Israel. If you check the article talk page for the geographical region, you'll find that the objection has already been raised there that most of the content of that article is actually about the mandatory era state of Palestine, and its successors. The
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And more than 110 other states use the word Palestine. The world is much larger than Europe and its allies. In any case, the discussion about OPT versus PT is a separate one relating to the proposed page merger there. Each of those terms has their own specific geographical and legal meaning. That
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I strongly object to renaming this article to a term that is not in widespread use, is not used by Palestinian themselves to refer to their country (as as such falls afoul of the principles laid out in our naming conventions), and is not synonymous with the subject under discussion in our current
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article. Anthony, "Outline of ______" articles are common on Knowledge (XXG). I don't really understand your concern of ambiguity in terms of this request. It is already called "Outline of Palestine"... the problem with the name has nothing to do with its status as an outline. The problem is that
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The problem with the state called Palestine is not its limited recognition, but rather it's non-existence de facto. I don't think there is another contemporary example of a state that has only limited de jure existence without any de facto mechanism that can be called a state. When we outline the
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Drork, this line of argument is based on your WP:Synth interpretation. Knowledge (XXG) policy is to use secondary sources to interpret primary documents. Segal said your interpretation is a common misreading of Palestinian intentions. He noted that many States have legally recognized the State of
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from 13 July 2007. In this article he refers to the need for establishing a Palestinian state, but clearly indicate that such a state does not exist yet (for example, he says: "Once the State of Palestine is established, the Palestinian Authority is dissolved." which means that he doesn't think a
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I'e provided sources above that explain that "Palestine" is used in the UN to refer to the representaties of the Palestinian people and that Palestine is the official name of the country Palestinian call home. I'm not misleading anyone. You are however ignoring what reliable sources have to say.
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Okay, we are getting somewhere here. We now agree that "Palestine" does not refer to a contemporary state but to a geographical region. Geographical regions have indeed fuzzy borders. However, if this is an article about Palestine as a geographical region, then you have to remove the Palestinian
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You might be interested in Hersh Lauterpacht's International Law reports. They summarize all the PCIJ, British, and Palestine Mandate court cases which held that, under the terms of the Treaties of Versallies and Lausanne, Transjordan and Palestine were States. The Palestine and British Mandate
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I think Ucucha explanation of the reasoning behind executing the move appears solid. I have to agree that the previous move discussion largely surrounded the Palestinian political entity, not the entire historical territory of Palestine. There may not have been a full consensus in the previous
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wasn't applicable here for whatever reason. Sorry if this broke something -- I have not dealt with the templates, etc. for controversial moves before. If on the other hand, he did it because he thinks it was inappropriate, then I support his decision. Again -- if I did something wrong by using
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Now that the page move has gone though, the outline needs work. I just went through and updated a lot of the titles, but there are still issues. The biggest one is the lead, which was just about the only thing in the article that actually referred to historical Palestine rather than the modern
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Your fondness of far-fetched juridic interpretations is noted. I offered you a source based on primary written testimony of a person who knew all about the British Mandate, legally and practically, from his very job as a high-rank official. You send me to read all kind of legal discussions and
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Okay, looking at another "outline articles" it now appears to me that this article should in fact be split into two: "Outline of Palestine" which will discuss the geographical area known in English as Palestine and includes the State of Israel, the Palestinian Territories, southern Lebanon and
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Standard redlinks (article names) were also chosen based on how country coverage tipically expands. This makes the standard names for these subtopics widely available and easily accessible. So please do not remove those redlinks, for they will turn blue eventually. In the meantime, they can be
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Tiamut, the term "Palestine" as used by the United Nation does not refer to any territory. The UN merely decided to change the name of the PLO observing delegation from "Palestine Liberation Organization" to "Palestine", no territory was mentioned. Would you like us to remove any reference to
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I know that, but the discussion was one that was filled with personal conjecture and a refusal to provide high quality sources to back up the various claims made. Sources say, both in general and specifically related to Palestine, that a state exists when other states recognize its existence.
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The Palestinian Authority issued a document on August 2009 (signed by the PA's premier, Salam Fayadh) with a plan to establish a Palestinian state within the next two years. Apparently the Palestinian leaders do not think such a state actually exists, unless the plan is to establish a second
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Independence is a non-sequitur. It was not included among the criteria for statehood in article 1 of the Montevideo Convention. The League of Nations included member states that were Crown Colonies or Dominions, like India that were not independent. The treaty of Lausanne was an enforceable
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The geopolitical entity that represents Palestinian before international community at the United Nations is named "Palestine". Palestinians call their country "Palestine". I'm sorry that these facts don't suit you, but they are indeed facts. Ignoring them is no way to carry on a discussion.
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Until this move request goes through, I have begun working on avoiding the misleading nature of this article in other ways. We have 2 options: 1) Add all the appropriate information about Israel to this article to truly make it about the historical region of "Palestine". 2) Change all the
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The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of Palestine and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of Palestine when outside its territorial
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Its your opinion that "Palestine" is misleading. Its my opinion that "Palestinian territories" is misleading. There is a difference of opinion on this issue, as exemplified in the comments by editors who have participated in this discussion. There is therefore no consensus for a move.
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I therefore see that either it needs re-writing under the current title or re-naming to either 'Outline of the Palestinian Territories' or 'Outline of the Palestinian Authority'. I personally prefer to re-write. What does everyone else think: re-write, re-name or leave it as it is? -
1770:. The "Palestinian territories" is not the name of the representative of the Palestinian people at the United Nations (nor does it represent Palestinians anywhere in the world at all). That concept holds no international memberships. Indeed, its very definition is subject to dispute.
1808:. There are others who are unfamiliar with this subject are due to the confusion surrounding the definitions of Palestine are opting for "Palestinian territories" as though it is more clear a description. It is not. And its not the official name of anything, nor is it a common name.
2202:(outdent) You seem to be suffering from some mental confusion. The Jewish Agency demanded that "state land" be set aside for Jewish settlement, and the Mandate adopted by the LoN did contain terms regarding conditions to facilitate Jewish settlement on "state" and waste lands.
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is the Israeli capital? The Iranian leaders often call the US "the Great Satan". Does it mean that Iran and the US are in a state of war? You keep resorting to the recognition issue, but a recognition is not enough to make a state. This claim is contradictory with the article
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Has anyone considered making separate outline articles for Palestine (the geographical-historical region) and the Palestinian territories (the political entity consisting of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip), corresponding with their separate Knowledge (XXG) articles?
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recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country (...) the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for
1801:). This is because the official name of this area before the international community is in fact simply "Palestine". That is the most common name, the name used at the UN for representatives of the Palestinian people, the name recognized by more than 110 states.
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You're completely avoiding the issue here. I'm not ignoring reliable sources. You on the other hand are ignoring the simple reality that the current wording is misleading to readers. Furthermore, nobody said that YOU are misleading anyone, so back off a bit.
2134:. It refutes most (if not all) of your claims about the British Mandate and it is based upon the diary of the last secretary of the British Mandate administration, practically the person who dissolved the Mandate. The preface is available on the new for free
2520:, therefore, I changed the wording accordingly.) I definitely don't have the time to add all the information about Israel on my own, so for the time being, my only choice is to go with option #2. If anyone else wants to help, I'd appreciate it. Thanks,
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You are misunderstanding me or reading very selectively. I have said a number of times that "Palestine" refers to both a geographical region and a state. This is not me making stuff up. This is what reliable sources have to say about the term. (e.g.
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I'm sorry tariqabjotu, but I'm not ignoring naming conventions "for nationalistic reasons". Every argument I have made has centered around our naming conventions. That these are not followed at other articles is not a reason to avoid following them
2001:, so your point, aside from being offensive, is completely irrelevant to what anyone has said here. If you have a problem with the way Palestine articles are named across Knowledge (XXG), you are open to changing that top-down, beginning with
3714:. There seems to be consensus for this move, with no outstanding opposes. Moving as proposed, since the "profile of..." version didn't receive any further backing. Note: the page is move protected, so I will list this at technical requests.
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There was no consensus for the move. In that case, you should closed with "no consensus" or relisted the discussion. I find it very disappointing that you interpreted a 4 to 3 "vote" as "consensus". That's not the way Knowledge (XXG) works.
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is being proposed for merger into it). Our article on the Palestinian territories is an OR hodgepodge with no sources that actually define that term. However, if a rename is what is being proposed here, please make a formal move request.
1993:), daughter and parent articles need to match their corresponding relatives. No one but you is making this about a euphemism or ignoring naming conventions for nationalistic reasons; the article about the State of Israel is located at
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As I said you are wasting our time. You make absurd claims and justify them by sources that do not contribute anything to our subject. "Palestine" is a polysemy. This name refers to various entities, we are discussing the following:
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As I have mentioned elsewhere, there are serious problems with the way our articles on Palestine are currently structured, which are perhaps feeding the confusion surrounding the discussion of this issue. Indeed, our article on
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which the article is categorized in. Thus, I assess consensus as being in favor of the move. I invite all editors who commented here to improve the article so that it truly serves as an outline of the Palestinian territories.
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the Gaza Strip and Syria, and effectively treat these lines as international borders. So, the Israeli territory is well-defined despite the unclear border with the WB and the dispute with Syria over the Golan Heights.
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Don't tell me what I'm aware of. The move went through with due process. If you have an issue, feel free to take appropriate actions. Until then, I will continue to improve the article with or without your approval.
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The US, UK, German, Dutch and Australian governments use the term "Palestinian Territories" in reference to the WB&Gaza in their English language publications. You can see links to the sources either above or at
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A name sometimes used when referring to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, especially since the signing of the first Oslo Accord in 1993. The name "Palestinian territories" is much more descriptive and wide-spread.
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discussion I also believe a consensus to move existed. I am certainly not a fan of revisiting moves unless gross negligence was involved or consensus has changed, neither of which appears to be the case here.--
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The distinction you referred to from the BBC website appears only on this site, and the BBC itself is not consistent about it. On this page, the BBC uses the term "Palestinian territories" for the WB&Gaza
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whose sovereignty as states is contested have articles named the way their countrymen name them. The double standards at Knowledge (XXG) when it comes to Palestine are wholly disheartening and de-motivating.
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1364:, and other states with limited reconigiton and control over their territories. We do not invent new names for places simply because we do not like or accept that they are called such by their inhabitants.
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as was previously the case after reaching a consensus following a thorough discussion. I still don't understand why someone took the liberty to override that consensus and write a non-encyclopedic article.
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A name of a future-Arab state. Many countries, if not all, expressed a view that such state should come into being, and yet there is nothing that can be said to be a Palestinian Arab state at the moment.
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Palestine, and he subsequently pointed out that the PA/Fayyad plan to "establish" the State of Palestine cited the 1988 Declaration of Independence four times. See The 1988 Declaration of Independence
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674:, a decision was made not to merge, but it was suggested that this page needed either renaming (although still under an 'Outline' title) or re-writing. The issues as I see them currently are that:
3280:). Since you were asking for an admin to undo the result of a contentious move discussion, {{db-move}} wasn't appropriate. To top things off, since your explanation indicated there was a dispute,
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The name of the nation of the Palestinian people is "Palestine". Its how they are represented at the UN. I've proided the sources for this aboe and they are cited in the outline itself and at the
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As usual you are wasting everyone's time trying to present your rationalizations and wikilawyering. I'm discussing material that is already in the British Mandate article and part of the Outline.
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A Knowledge (XXG) discussion isn't a vote, and the number of voices don't matter. What matters is the arguments, and in this case Ucucha properly applied Knowledge (XXG) naming principles. —
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Hi there Highfields. Could you please outline more specficially which arguments you are basing your vote on? It would help me to understand what policy you are basing your decision on. Thanks.
3796:. The SoP is yet to negotiate borders and should not necessarily be be granted or be limited to any currently prevailing view. I think that in this case, "profile" would be less ambiguous.
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Tiamut, I said that the title of the article should match the article's content. Whatever you do to accomplish that, be it changing the content or changing the title, is up to you; that's not
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The naming principles are not properly applied at the parent articles. Reliable sources indicate that the official name for the area in question is Palestine. Instead of having an article on
1342:(which include the West Bank, Gaa Strip and East Jerusalem). It is a euphemism that is used to describe those areas under the rule of the Palestinian Authority. If you look at our article on
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Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel's right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine's. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements."
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This source does not leave room to doubt, that the Mandate of Palestine was not an independent state. It was fully controlled by the UK. Furthermore, it was never meant to be an Arab entity
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outline. This article survived an AfD proposal. People noted in that discussion that irregardless of whether or not the State of Palestine exists, it warrants having an outline. Just as do
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The government section needs to be checked for accuracy. The initial data placed in the government branches sections was generated by template, and the data didn't fit all countries.
1777:(which already survived an AfD) and its replacement by a new article on a wholly different subject. So much of what is included currently in this outline could not be included there.
1227:, a "geopolitical phenomenon"). Most opinions here are in favor of having the outline refer to the political entity, instead of the geographical region, and that is in line with the
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2944:-- The fact that you are having to ask this probably means that you should read the conversation, before forming an opinion of it. But I'll lay out a few of them for you, in brief:
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The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home
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The large majority of the nations of the world use the term "Palestine" not "Palestinian territories".
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3703:move review
3541:Don't panic
2861:User:Ucucha
2824:Vegaswikian
2615:Congo Basin
622:Thank you.
525:Thank you.
162:discussions
4001:Categories
3939:|answered=
3605:Regarding
3415:Somaliland
3380:Highfields
3282:SchuminWeb
3242:Breein1007
3228:Jrtayloriv
3171:Breein1007
2977:Jrtayloriv
2887:Breein1007
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2585:Breein1007
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1688:Highfields
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1362:Somaliland
1311:Breein1007
1225:Gaza Strip
1205:Page moved
1124:Breein1007
1085:Highfields
1003:Breein1007
747:Highfields
700:Highfields
353:discussion
69:List-class
3984:Shadow311
3976:Not done:
3772:GreyShark
3758:Relisted.
3631:Palestine
3615:Palestine
3595:Palestine
3411:Palestine
3278:WP:CSD#G6
3132:Palestine
3084:Palestine
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2541:Palestine
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2249:Herodotus
2085:LordAmeth
2007:Palestine
2003:Palestine
1983:Palestine
1975:Palestine
1806:WP:PLACEs
1783:Palestine
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1336:Palestine
1258:Palestine
1223:plus the
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1213:Palestine
1138:Palestine
1106:Palestine
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838:Palestine
678:The page
167:Palestine
142:Palestine
98:Palestine
3676:RMCD bot
3658:RMCD bot
3633:region.
3619:#Move.3F
3553:non-free
3389:contribs
2957:WP:PLACE
2701:WP:PLACE
2035:WP:PLACE
1987:New York
1967:deleting
1697:contribs
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1467:WP:PLACE
1465:Per our
1358:Abkhazia
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756:contribs
728:nableezy
709:contribs
680:suggests
265:Outlines
219:Outlines
148:and the
39:deletion
3880:Jenks24
3850:Support
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3820:Jenks24
3790:Support
3761:Natg 19
3724:Amakuru
3597:or the
3399:Comment
3322:WP:LEAD
3267:db-move
3221:db-move
3194:on the
3189:db-move
2912:Georgia
2900:Comment
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2081:Support
1815:to the
1302:Support
666:At the
385:on the
292:on the
241:outline
194:on the
3812:Oppose
3419:Taiwan
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2020:abjotu
1997:, not
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1813:Israel
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1234:Ucucha
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518:, and
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75:scale.
3943:|ans=
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3779:dibra
3712:Moved
3480:DrorK
3469:Stalk
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3291:Stalk
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1911:DrorK
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1181:Move?
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901:etc.
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358:Lists
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