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Nakutol'ab( Lalibela's brorther Harbe's son) and Yitebarek Lalibela's son respectively come to power based on the Agaw laws of inheritance until Yikuno Amlak( solomonic) king come to power and remove The Dynasty. there was no any battle between Lalibela and his brother Harbe. by the way Amhara in the Agaw language refers to soldier. not ethinicity or people. just don.t destroy history! history can.t be converted by adding Fairy tale. now a days some people are writing intentionally to destroy history. so it is not acceptable.
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Against the dynasty at all. this means at that time amahara and tigray were working against Zagwe dynasty by illigitimizing it to return their lost solomonic Dynasty. therefore
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