Talk:Lamar Jackson - Knowledge (XXG)

4669: 4458: 4204: 4104: 4025: 4748: 4282: 3904: 1180: 3951:). Re your expressed intent to use QB Jackson as an example of "injustices againt black Qb’s", I see the following in that article about him (the Ravens QB) that I've linked here: "Jackson is content to play out 2022 on his $ 23M fifth-year option, and then let the Ravens franchise tag him the following two years to facilitate him becoming the rarest of rare NFL commodities – a megastar quarterback on the open market before age 30." It looks to me as if you and I both ought to learn something from this. 406: 379: 769: 1409:. Secondly, the Pro Bowl itself is mentioned in the highlight section of this very page showing that the Pro Bowl itself is noteworthy otherwise it wouldn't be mentioned there, so if the Pro Bowl is noteworthy certainly the Most Valuable Player Award of the Pro Bowl would have to be considered noteworthy, at least enough that the NFL names the MVP of that game and the Knowledge (XXG) page I posted lists those MVPs and other historical records and facts from the history of the Pro Bowl. ( 416: 818: 797: 305: 21: 687: 996: 975: 660: 3317: 3304: 3294: 3262: 578: 1006: 557: 509: 697: 521: 164: 140: 907: 886: 588: 4704: 4625: 4506: 4414: 4321: 4236: 4150: 4060: 3981: 3859: 1137: 3353: 3343: 3330: 3276: 3248: 3234: 3221: 3208: 2769: 2746: 2728: 2697: 2673: 2646: 2632: 2603: 2585: 2571: 2557: 2522: 2488: 226: 3371: 295: 274: 109: 238: 3079: 1519: 4561: 4380: 2026: 1978: 1924: 1870: 1816: 3831:. The larger issue is the flattering tone of Jackson that the article takes, rarely with concrete citations to back it up. This is something learned with time. In the meanwhile, I encourage the nominator to look at current football GAs and FAs in order to get a sense of the tone used, as well as the depth of detail employed. — 174: 2092:

Jackson's cousin, Oakland Raiders cornerback Trayvon Mullen, and Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Calvin Ridley also competed against Jackson in that league. - this won't age, and isn't correct. I suggest removing the teams completely here. They weren't at the teams at the time, and are likely to change

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This is not a realistic claim. The source for his 100 yard throw is a grainy video posted by Lamar Jackson on Twitter, where he himself states it went 95 yards, but it's impossible to verify that number from the footage. I was unable to find any documented evidence of a football being thrown over 80

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So I got a major fucking problem with this page. Im here writing an essay on the change and fixing the injustices againt black Qb’s and here I use Lamar as an example. Im reading and reading to find out he now plays for the fucking Chicago Bears please fix this fucking issue my essay got graded a 60

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not to mention that when players are mentioned that are often referred to in the vein of "13-Time Pro Bowler (((insert player name)))!" similar to "9-Time Grammy Winner (((insert artist name)!" Considering that, the fact "Pro Bowl (2019)" is mentioned in the "Career highlights and awards" section

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Eagles247, seen your link and it's just a rule with no reasoning behind it other than subjectivity and that's the beginning of the problem. Then there are multiple issues with your position: First, the Pro Bowl MVP not being "noteworthy" is subjective. It's a matter of opinion, not fact, and even

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Under Lamar Jackson's "NFL records" box, in the "Career highlights and awards" box there is something to add. One of the records states: "Most games with a perfect passer rating in the same season (tied with Ben Roethlisberger): 2 (2019)". This record is true, but the record is also shared with

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I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my

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from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

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I don't either. I am not a sports person myself but have seen enough in the media to glean he is somewhat a phenomenon. I looked at the early life section but I do not think there is anything current enough to move to his personal life. What are your thoughts?

3440:"When he was 8 years old, Jackson could throw a football 20 yards. In high school, Jackson threw a football 100 yards." → "By the age of eight, Jackson could throw a football 20 yards (18 m). By high school, he was capable of throwing up to 100 yards (91 m)." 2395:

In February 2020, BET Digital highlighted Jackson as one of 40 of the most inspiring and innovative vanguards in African American culture and who are redefining what it means to be "unapologetically young, gifted & Black" - puff. Best Wishes,

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Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's

3422:"Jackson's father died from a heart attack on the same day his grandmother died in 2005, when Jackson was 8 years old." → "When Jackson was eight years old, his father suffered a fatal heart attack on the same day that his grandmother died." 3698:

I don't necessarily think of these things as "in popular culture", since they all feature Jackson himself (as opposed to, say, references to him in TV programs or songs where he doesn't actually appear). It would fall more under "Personal

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Most of this is presented out of context again, or is trivial: his pre-game meal and his favorite superhero are not critically important to understanding who Jackson is. I'm thinking more along the lines of the "Personal life" section of

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Later it's made clear that some coaches wanted to make him a wide receiver, but this isn't set up very well here. All we know is that Petrino only wants to us him as a QB, but we don't know what other coaches/recruiters were pushing

3450:"Jackson was a standout quarterback at Boynton Beach High School in Boynton Beach, Florida. At Boynton Beach, Jackson was a successful read-option quarterback who could run and throw the ball equally well." → "Jackson was a standout 1347:

His Pro Bowl Offensive MVP award should be listed in the Career highlights and awards block simply because it is an award, and because it happens to a single player rarely enough in a career that he'll likely never win it again.

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More importantly: Another 30-odd references are added here, when some of the awards that he received were already mentioned in the body (like the Heisman). Why do we need a new reference here? Would the one from the body not

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drawn between him and Vick, not to mention Vick says that Jackson is better than he was. I think the sources might be out there, but agree with Eagles247 that it was pretty much all OR. But we should definitely work on this.

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Peyton Manning did not achieve this twice in the same season. As the article you cite states, he did it four times, two of which were close in time (season and post-season); however, the article is correct as it stands.

3461:"He improved passing accuracy and decision-making by watching hours of film each week." → "Outside of practice, he would watch hours of video footage per week to sharpen his pass accuracy and decision-making abilities." 1232:

I found his date birth of stated in the cited ESPN source for his college stats so cited it there as well. I do agree the article could be better but not sure what could/should be added as far as his personal life.

2989:. During his MVP season in 2019, Jackson broke Vick's record for the most rushing yards in a season totaling 1,206 yards on a average of 6.9 yards per carry all while leading the league in touchdown passes. 1671:

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It seems clear that throws in the in the mid to high 70 yard range is the upper bound of what is physically possible for quarterbacks, and Jackson being able to far surpass this is not a credible.

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College GameDay announced their return to the University of Louisville to host the opening matchup on September 16 between the returning National Champions, Clemson Tigers, and the Cardinals.

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It's hard to prove a negative ("elite passers", in this instance), and the references included don't necessarily make that claim so much as they provide concrete reasons why he is not elite.

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I'd prefer a bit of a reorder of the lede... Can we comment who he is, what he's most famous for, before giving a rundown of his career? The most notable part is being an MVP. Best Wishes,

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Sadly, it's been two weeks with no updates at all, I don't have much choice but to close this one. If you plan to renominate, drop me a ping, and I'll take a second look. Best Wishes,

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In the professional career tab during the 2023 season it is said the ravens earned the 5th seed in the playoffs. This is incorrect they earned the 6th seed. Please change that.

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Peyton Manning. The record text should look like this: "Most games with a perfect passer rating in the same season (tied with Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger): 2 (2019)".

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I don't have the experience to do the Good Article review but some glaring things are missing such as citation(s) for his birth date. And the personal life is way too short.

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Remove detail about his supposed 40 yard dash time being the fastest ever. Mike Vick ran an official 4.33 at his pro-day, .01 seconds faster than Jackson's supposed time.

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by NFL Knowledge (XXG) editors is for what to include in these infoboxes. If you want to try to change the current consensus, feel free to start a talk page discussion at

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The fact that Lamar was named NFL MVP in 2019 should absolutely be included in his introduction. I have edited the following sentence to read "In 2019, Jackson was named

2807:- I've put this one on hold. I really don't like puff, specifically misplaced external links and images. Let me know when you've addressed the above points. Best Wishes, 2510: 1557: 4936: 947: 3487:"promised Jackson's mother that her son would be playing quarterback and nothing else." → "promised his mother that they intended only to use her son as a quarterback." 825: 802: 499: 32: 4956: 3577:"quarterback in a single game in a 24–21 victory." needs rephrasing, currently makes it sound like this record only stands for games where the final score was 24-21 3007:

Although he refused to run the 40 time at the NFL combine as a result of skepticism about his ability as a pro quarterback and teams wanting him to switch positions

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Jackson did not let the numbers affect his playing ability. His remarkable statistics for the season resulted in his being a Heisman finalist for the 2017 season.

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Jackson's pre-game meal is shrimp alfredo pasta and his favorite superhero is Superman. - puff. We don't mention literally everything about someone. Best Wishes,

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I am not seeing anything about community service (will do some more digging) but what about his clothing line which is currently in the Popular Culture section?

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Jackson also demonstrates great running ability being able to elude & juke defenders in open field and also extending plays behind the line of scrimmage.

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Thanks for the reply. I just want to point out one other thing: being named to a Pro Bowl is an award in and of itself as one very reliable source has it:

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This section overall needs to be expanded: he only started eight games, who else was QB? Who was he playing in the Music City Bowl? Any highlights?

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Words like "widely" and "often" are thrown around here but then are only linked to one person's opinion – a corollary would be something like in

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yards. The surviving results from the NFL QB challenge held between 1990-2007 lists a 76 yard throw as the competitions all time longest throw.

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Pro Football Focus, which has documented every NFL throw since the 2006 season, lists this throw of 74 yards as the longest in their database.

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I don’t know what’s out there personally, but I think 2 sentences it a little anemic. Perhaps things from early life can be merged there.

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Jackson has rare speed and acceleration for the quarterback position and is one of the fastest players in the NFL regardless of position.

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Not sure on the MOS, but I'd much prefer all of the statistics tables to be in one place, rather than mixed into the prose Best Wishes,

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Growing up, his favorite player was Michael Vick. - why was he his favourite player? I feel this is a personal life thing. Best Wishes,

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pitting current NFL players against former NFL players. - repetition of NFL. This happens quite a bit in the article. Best Wishes,

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

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What is going on with the image at the bottom? It is destroying the references, and alignment and has no caption. Best Wishes,

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Space between end of sentence and citations should be removed for the sentence ending "by a quarterback in a single season"

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baker-mayfields-overthrown-hail-mary-is-the-longest-pass-ever-recorded-in-an-nfl-game/

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Although I have not entirely gotten through this article, I have seen enough that I think it would be best marked as a

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The image captions like Jackson versus Cincinnati Bengals - should probably have a rough date month/year. Best Wishes,

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. 🔯

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Can we include how his 79 touches (59 passes, 20 rushes) in the 2019 playoff game were an NFL single game record?

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The quote in popular culture should have speech marks, and there is no reason to not have it inline. Best Wishes,

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I feel like the link to football should be in early life. Something like: "He attended public schools and played

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Concerns however have been raised on his ability to play as a pure-pocket passer when the run-game is contained.

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Ravens franchise records is definately fancruft. If it's notable, it should have it's own article. Best Wishes,

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I was surprised to learn postseason is how it's spelt and not post-season. Americanisms are weird. Best Wishes,

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In 2019, he was the NFL Most Valuable Player, the second player to receive a unanimous selection for the award

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