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and made NPOV, as confirmed by the GA review and multiple discussions elsewhere. Nothing here is 'copied and pasted' from company brochures; in fact the vast majority of the statements made in this article come from journalistic and scholarly publications. Furthermore, I and others rewrote this article in response to earlier criticisms of NPOV and unreferencing (see archive). These changes were amply discussed and debated, and I find your current assertions highly partisan and questionable. And although you copied and pasted the "appropriate to split" details regarding
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possible that this user is responsible for the earlier vandalism to the Lexus article, which also was focused on nationalistic grounds. I hope that this record will change, but doing vandalism, followed by multiple changes under several disallowed pseudonyms, is not helpful. Please reconsider your actions, and consider this a friendly notice.
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just a comment on the pricing of Lexus cars. According the the article, Europeans don't much care for having luxury combined with "cut-rate pricing". If this reasoning is true, I find it ludicrous. All Lexus has to do is maybe add $ 5,000 worth of "luxury" to the cars and then jack the prices up $
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of this user, there appears to be a troubling record of disruptions, racism, and unwanted editing behavior which does not comform to acceptable Knowledge (XXG) standards. Interestingly, these warnings have been removed from the current talk page, in possible violation of wikipedia rules. It is also
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Your claims might be more credible if you did not VANDALIZE the article, by removing references and then replacing them with "unreferenced" tags. If you had bothered to read the article, you would find those claims referenced in the lead or body. Furthermore, this article has been thoroughly vetted
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There is such bullshit being written on wikipedia about imports, particularly japanese, by little kids who know nothing of automobiles. So many of the pages have utter nonsense. Here's a Gem: "The Nissan VG engine can easily handle 1000hp" Relevance? Citation? I also found out that the Infiniti G20
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According to my sources, the plural of Lexus is Lexus. There is no separate plural form of the word. And I should point out that there are many invented words...perhaps Xerox as an exmaple. In Lexus official literature (press releases, brochures), they only use the word 'Lexus' and no derivations
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OK, I've just gone through all the pages that link to Lexus or any of the individual Lexus model pages and have cleaned everything up. The vast majority (~60 pages) already used the proper notation, and I fixed roughly 20 others. This scan would miss anything that isn't linked to either of those
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Where does it say that BMW and MB don't focus on luxury? Who says that Lexus is considered entry-level to mid-level? It depends on which model you are talking about (the same goes for BMW and Mercedes; Mercedese C-class vehicles are used as taxis in some parts of Europe). The article fairly notes
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It says that Lexus focuses on luxury and BMW and Mercedes does not. This is favored toward Lexus, as is many comments in the service section of this article. Also note that Lexus is considered entry-level to mid-level luxury and BMW / Mercedes vehicles fall into the luxury segment. This article
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The automotive engineer should not be so picky over how someone decides to spell out a model name. As far as i can see there are no spaces and this is from lexus themselves. What else could F1 relate to in the automotive world? Bit of a dumb question to me. Someone that does not know what marque
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If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as
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The goal of this article is not to promote Japanese culture; references of Japan are made when they are directly relevant to the history of Lexus. You may notice in the above talk section that I have personally removed statements which seem nationalistic. Furthermore, it appears based on your
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I did, however, clean up some grammar/punctuation issues and fix or reformat some inefficient Wiki redirects and broken links, so even if you don't like what I've done, please add information back selectively instead of performing a wholesale revert.
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Ok, I did a rewrite/reformat/copy edit of this article, in an attempt to remove the rather blatant pro-Lexus marketing language that most of the article consisted of. Note that I removed almost no information, just the glowing praise and POV wording.
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The statment that Lexus is one of the three finest automakers in the world is highly arbitary and opinionated. Maserati, Bentley, Cadillac or Lincoln owners might beg to differ. The statment was removed since it was POV and not encyclopedia material.
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I don't think any of these statements (and there are many others) should be in an encyclopedia article, and I am replacing the NPOV tag in hopes that someone more knowledgeable than I can source, reword, or delete these claims as appropriate.
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I think the following sentence with certain portions highlighted nowhere near qualifies as neutral: "This has led some automotive thinkers to believe that unless Lexus prices its products head-to-head with the European premium brands and
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It clearly says it was introduced in 1989 in the US and 1990 elsewhere (I assume the rest of the world, not just the UK and Australia). I definately saw them in Saudi by 1991 at the latest anyway (I lived there at the time ^_^)
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge (XXG) policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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However, if you'd like to use a plural form, I think Lexuses or Lexii sound fine to me...maybe the commonplace usage may one day become part of the corporate lingo (FedEx anyone?).
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I Am an Automotive engineer & I dont agree with the statment of "Nothing compares to a lexus automobile" I think its a biased statement, what is the base for such statement???
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Luxury? I thought it was "Limited EXport to the United States" ...in line with an agreement between Japanese Auto-makers to limit the export of high performance vehicles????
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I think the tag should poof, the statement "It's one of the finest automakers in the world" is appropiately vague, and something nearly every highend automaker uses.
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also, article is too long & heavy. This article page is 59 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See
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What is a "marque"? This article is extremely poorly-written. It sounds like it was written by someone for whom English is a second or maybe third language.
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I agree this article needs reorganization, the most pressing issue of which is Lexus history vs. present (which IMO is somewhat blurry at present). Best,
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I have added this tag because the article appears to need a thorough cleanup; right now it is severely pro-Lexus to the point of borderline advertising. (
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I think it is just a myth though, as the name Lexus was from the finalist Alexis, plus avoiding the Lexis database connection with 'luxury' as a basis.
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imitated it. And Japanese government concealed the fact. Korean car manufacturers have a great technological know-how. Japanese are great plagiarists.
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On the German discussion page, someone mailed Lexus and asked them. They said, since it's a brand name, the plural of Lexus is simply Lexus. --
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This article is written like an advertisement. like copy & paste from company brochures. this article may need a complete rewrite.
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should use a dictionary before suggesting it is a poorly-written article because they are not educated enough to find out what it is.
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What? Nothing you're mentioning seems to have anything to do with this page. Do you have any specific points about the Lexus article?
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The card actually says "issued by Lexus Financial Savings Bank". It seems to be run by the same people who do the Lexus financing.
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Marque...noun, make of car, as distinct from a specific model (in French literally mark) from Oxhord Compact English Dictionary.
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That is one of only several statements I have a problem with... there are problems with both blatant cheerleading and a lot of
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that outside of North America, Lexus does not currently have as good a brand image as other luxury-oriented automakers.
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In my mind "Lexus" was a model range, not a manufacturer: that's Toyota, or is Lexus really a "manufacturer"?
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I'm not sure about models before that; but, it seems that there's recent consistency in their naming schemes.
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Um, it's a brand name. How could something be "correct" when it's an invented word? I'd go with "Lexuses."
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I recommend aligning all Lexus references to what is fairly obviously a corporate standard. Any thoughts? --
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Pretty much, in consultation with their marketing personnel. Upon further research, it is apparent that the "
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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
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Note: the above user has now been banned due to vandalism, sockpuppetry, and racist commentary:
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25,000 to $ 50,000 so the Europeans think they are getting something worthwhile. What a joke.
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Asked and answered. You're right, and it looks like we have a new standard to comply with! --
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uh.. shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing that it's a "L".. which.. stands for... Lexus?
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tates" acroynm is simply a coincidence, given that it is contradicted by official sources.
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I thought Lexus was simply thought of off the top of the head from a Toyota bigwig.
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I came over just to see when the Lexus was introduced. The answer is not obvious.
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of it, and in plural form also 'Lexus' such as 'All Lexus vehicles," or something.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Lexus maintains core values of luxury, service, value and superior reliability
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I suggest you stop being confrontational as it doesn't help your argument.
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Lexus is now considered one of the finest automobile makers in the world.
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we don't need garbage & promotional article. need a diet, briefly.
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As far as I can tell, Lexus uses spaces in their model names (e.g.,
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is a tuner car, casue its easy to modify. Come on, get some sense.
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The waiting areas in the service departments are very comfortable.
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Personally, i like "Lexi" /leks-eye/, but i doubt that's correct.
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Knowledge (XXG) article constitutes fair use. In addition to the
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anyone know what the logo means? trying to research car logos ;P
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The tools are kept neatly in drawers and racks and not scattered
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emphasizes its superior quality, reliability and engineering
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DO NOT NEED PERSONAL ATTACK. You must Calm down. Japanese.
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indicates that this has been going back to at least 1995.
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Currently there is a mention of that under "Lexus brand"
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Fair use rationale for Image:Lexus F-division logo.png
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If anyone knows what it is officially, plese post it.
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At the end of the article, what does "F1" refer to?
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Talk:Lexus
archive
current talk page
ArchiveĀ 1
ArchiveĀ 2
ArchiveĀ 3
R johnson
18:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Enigma3542002
00:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Karrmann
23:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Enigma3542002
00:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Toyota
Corean2006
12:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


Milkmandan
SFoskett
Milkmandan
Formula One
128.104.102.148
05:22, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Moncrief
17:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
DavidFarmbrough
10:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Enigma3542002

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