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It seems that the series expansion in powers of x^k that is given in the article yields the wrong sign for Legendre polynomials of odd order. This can be checked by using this formula to calculate the lowest order polynomials by hand or with Mathematica. To obtain the correct formula, a factor (-1)^l
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If you define the Legendre polynomials by Rodrigues' formula, then it is just Rolle's theorem, so a proof is not out of the question (but see my post below). That the roots are simple follows then from the fact that the polynomials satisfy a second order linear homogeneous differential equation, and
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Usually the singular makes more sense that the plural in the title of an article, but in this case, the title "Legendre polynomial" makes the same amount of sense as "Beattle" as the title of an article about John, Paul, George, and Ringo. The whole sequence Legendre polynomials is to be thought of
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I have reverted the word "normalize" back to "standardize", since the polynomials are not normal, and the standardization is just a convention. I'm still not happy with this -- it's a conflict between saying exactly the right thing vs. belaboring a point that isn't really important. Improvements?
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I have added to the lead paragraph a summary of the proof of Rodrigues' formula. However, I now wonder whether such a detailed proof benefits the article. We don't usually put detailed proofs in Knowledge articles, particularly when these proofs are fairly routine manipulations; I think taking
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In the section "Recursive definition", paragraph starting "Explicit representations include", the second formula involves binomial coefficients with negative (upper) argument. While the formula is not incorrect, it would be more elegant to express in terms of binomial coefficients with positive
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in a too narrow sense. Requiring P_n(1)=1 is a true normalization, just not w.r.t. the Hilbert space norm, but the sup-norm (L_\infty-normalization). In the same spirit, the property that Legendre polynomials take the maximal value in x=1 is of independent interest and deserves to be mentioned
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is the correct word here. Normalization does not necessarily mean to transform something to norm one, it is used for any transformation to get something in standard form. However, it is not that important. I do wonder though why the word "standardize" is written in bold. --
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convergence to a piecewise continuous function, that takes more work. The person who wrote those words doesn't seem aware of the difference kinds of convergence or of the fact that mathematicians may often construe "linear combination" to mean
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Works for me. Nothing wrong with adding a sentance that says: "Sometimes this is called a "normalization", although the correct meaning of normalization is that the integral of the square of the function should be unity."
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The Legendre polynomials form an orthogonal basis for the Hilbert space of square-integrable functions on the interval from -1 to 1, so we're talking about a "linear combination" in the Hilbert-space sense, i.e.,
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so cannot vanish to higher order at any point of their domain, by uniqueness of solutions. Much more can be said about the zeros of the Legendre polynomials, and there should be a section about them.
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in section Rodrigues' formula and other explicit formula, second equation, is undefined. I would guess it means the Taylor coefficient of t^n, but to my knowledge, this is not universal notation.
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I am changing "generating function" to "ordinary generating function". I also think the word "Taylor" is incorrect and should be removed; which I will do in about a week unless somebody objects.
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in a distributional form, but no one dares to talk about the (far easier formulated) convergence in the Hilbert spaces sense (i.e., with respect to the norm in L_2())
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Can anyone provide more concrete examples of applications of the Legendre polynomials, or when the Legendre differential equation arises?
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Yes, well, Hilbert spaces should be discussed in the article on orthogonal polynomials anyway, so as to cover the whole kit-n-kaboodle.
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The roots of the Legendre polynomials are very important, e.g. for Gaussian quadrature. There are a number of beautiful proofs that
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Strange that in the same section you would talk about pointwise convergence towards piecewise continuous functions, and state the
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would have to be included. There is no reference given for this formula, and it does not appear in either Abramowitz or Arfken.
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are convolutions of the Legendre polynomials, which is an interesting and unexpected relation—although it could use a source.
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The very last formula in that section is however different—it seems to say that the Chebyshev polynomials of the second kind
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Also, is it correct that P_n solves the differential equation with parameter n, or is n used in two different senses here?
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speak of a "Legendre polynomial" in the singular in some contexts, but generally those are of interest only because this
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These can't be bases and linear combinations in the sense of linear algebra. Are we talking Hilbert space basis here?
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for the space of piecewise continuous functions defined on this interval, so any such function can be written as a
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arguments. This is easy to do. I propose to re-express this formula in this way, unless there are objections.
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I think that for special functions explanations of some easy (quick) proofs in the article makes sense.
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consists mostly of a big table, which as far as I can tell is just giving the coefficients for the
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I feel that they are as important as orthogonality relations yet receive little mention.
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Is it appropriate to add the completeness relation to this article?
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One cannot just take finite angles an expect the identity to work.
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The last two identities here are wrong. The correct limit is
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My quantum mechanics text says speaks of something called the
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Not everything verifiable is worth including in an article.
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Is this something that somehow missed having an article? --
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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No, you just didn't read the article carefully enough.
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