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rather, it resembles more closely an affinity between certain political and intellectual initiatives which share the common will to ‘get rid’, through revolutionary means, of the dictatorship of
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Thee are no real references to this other than to Chris Wright's 'map' which just claims people as libertarian marxist. Is there anything that supports such a loose definition of libertarianism - being 'opposed' to the state? Most liberatrians are in favour of some sort of state and, for example,
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but tagging everything that needs citations. Why weren't those tags added earlier if people thought there was a problem? Yes, there's a bunch of unsourced stuff, but there is also loads of useful material, academic references, good further reading, etc, that could form the basis of a strong
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10 years onwards, this wikipedia page doesn't - as far as I can tell - cite a single source that even mentions the term "libertarian
Marxism"! On Google Scholar I cannot find any account of this alleged family of political thought. This page should be deleted ASAP.
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This article needs to point out that in the US, "liberal" means leftist while elsewhere, "liberal" means libertarian in the US. And in the US, "libertarian" means "classic liberal", that is Mises, Menger, and Smith, while elsewhere "libertarian" means "leftist".
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