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while the first two are of LGBT interest publications (which does not make them far left but you could concede bias from that perspective), one is a centrist israeli publication, one currently has ties to the right-leaning Hungarian government (!), one is a mainstream television network considered left wing, and one is a Jewish interest news site. I don't really see how all of them could be considered far-left leaning publications, unless one considers far left to be any viewpoint that expresses explicit pro transgender views.

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to children. The post has been retweeted by conservative influencers and liked thousands of times. The account, operated by Chaya Raichik, shares anti-LGBTQ content and has become influential in conservative media. Some far-right Republicans in recent months have increasingly sought to restrict trans people’s access to gender-affirming care, which includes a range of treatments such as hormone therapy and counseling.

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I count 6 of 30 directly calling LoT far-right, another 4 of 30 grouping LoT with far-right accounts, 6 stating she associates with, retweets, or enables far-right groups, 2 articles discussing her getting banned that are tagged far-right. 18 of the initial 30 all indicate far-rightedness, a majority

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Meanwhile, several among the 77 have retweeted Chaya Raichik to their large audiences, helping fuel the meteoric rise of her Twitter account, Libs of TikTok. The account, which soared from fewer than 1,000 followers in early 2021 to 1.3 million today, criticizes teachers, medical providers and others

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far right? Do any assign a political position that is not fully equivalent to "far right?" Have you been able to identify any reliable, independent sources that contest the "far right" characterization? If so, post links to reliable independent sources that refute the "far right" claim. Otherwise, it

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They also altered libsoftiktok's tweet in their original response to me: "makes the claim that they’re offering gender-affirmation surgery to young children dubious." libsoftiktok never made the claim that they're offering these services to children. They stated "young girls", which means adolescents

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Now, if you're old like me, you might be wondering why an account called Libs of TikTok is on Twitter and not, say, only TikTok. All I can tell you is that the world is a multifaceted digital hellscape. Knowledge (XXG) explains it better: "Libs of TikTok is a far-right Twitter account owned by former

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Videos shared from the account quickly find their way to the most influential names in right-wing media. The account has emerged as a powerful force on the Internet, shaping right-wing media, impacting anti-LGBTQ+ legislation and influencing millions by posting viral videos aimed at inciting outrage

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Far-right figures appear to be testing Twitter's boundaries for anti-LGBTQ speech... The day before, within hours of Musk's Twitter acquisition, the far-right account Libs of TikTok — which has over 1.4 million Twitter followers and has largely built its following by mocking liberals — tweeted out a

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I have seen no evidence for Chaya saying that lesbian people should be harmed or jailed. Not anti-lesbian. I have seen no evidence for Chaya saying that gay people should be harmed or jailed. Not anti-gay. I have seen no evidence for Chaya saying that bi-sexual people should be harmed or jailed. Not

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Unless I am missing something, this appears to be the only example of libsoftiktok spreading misinformation provided in the article. Given that tweet is not misinformation, and considering this source was used to back-up the claim on Knowledge (XXG) that this account 'spread false claims', I believe

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The Boston Children’s Hospital threats started after Libs of TikTok posted a video on August 11 of a doctor at Boston Children’s Hospital talking about gender-affirming hysterectomies, claiming the procedure was being offered to “young girls,” though the doctor did not say the procedure was offered

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Far-Right Influencers Hyped Coeur d’Alene Pride Before Patriot Front Showed Up... Far-right propaganda commonly zeroes in on specific, sensational aspects of LGBTQ culture, frequently misrepresenting it while clipping out important context. Twitter users subsequently boosted Libs of TikTok’s thread

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In many cases, they have been the subject of posts by a Twitter account called Libs of TikTok, as well as stories in conservative media outlets casting gender-affirming care as child abuse and mutilation... In some cases, events and figures publicized by Libs of TikTok have been targeted offline by

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I do not understand your arguments. Merely reporting on trans issues doesn't inherently make one far-left, as it's a hot button topic that attracts interest currently. Your characterization of the report as an extreme minority seems incorrect. You state that the first 6 sources are far left, but,

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There's the six links I clicked on when I went into the sources list and clicked on six random links. Four identify it within the broader right-wing political sphere (comparisons to Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro), and two are talking about it for outing a professor who depended pedophilia. Not a

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I agree there is evidence to show her opinions are against trans ideology. I have seen no evidence for Chaya saying that TRANS people should be harmed or jailed, bombed etc. She disagrees with any violence against other people. The only evidence I have seen is an ideological disagreement. Chaya

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Dronebogus, if my claims are 'baseless', why haven't you examined them? All you've responded to me with is your own personal opinion on what a 'young girl' is. Whether or not these girls can "drive and sexually consent" is completely irrelevant, it has nothing to do with whether or not the tweet

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does not trump reliable sources, but in any case let’s look at your argument in detail: YMMV on what “young girls” refers to but “eligible adolescents” could mean people in their late teens, old enough to drive and sexually consent in many jurisdictions. The fact that it’s a children’s hospital,

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of the sourcing. The remainder often discuss her as right-wing, which does not preclude, overshadow, or exclude far-right. also, when she tweets, bomb threats and proud boys follow. to not point out she is far-right is a disservice to the term, and a failure of Knowledge (XXG) to provide

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Numerous reliable sources covering Libs of TikTok characterize it as far-right. These include The Washington Post, NBC News, USA Today, PinkNews, Yahoo News, Axios, The Times of Israel, and others. Chaya Raichik is also frequently described as far-right by reliable sources.

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I have read the archives, the sources and liberal/conservative reporting. I can see no reason why this person is given "far-right" affiliations. I can see no reason why the FIRST SENTENCE says they are far right. I have seen no neutral sources to claim this.

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The campaign is led by Libs of TikTok, a Twitter account with more than 1.3 million followers run by a former Brooklyn real estate agent named Chaya Raichik, whose posts are frequently cited by Fox News’s Tucker Carlson and other right-wing media figures.

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If libsoftiktok merely tweeted the information that the Children's Hospital had available on their website, were they intentionally spreading misinformation? Were they spreading misinformation at all? The answer to both of those questions is obviously no.

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At the Washington Post, NBC News, and usa today there is collectively over 40 articles which do not describe her as far left. And there are less than 10% of articles that describe her as far left. The extreme majority do not report on her in this

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With Rogan’s endorsement, however, the account was catapulted into conservative superstardom. Libs of TikTok’s following soared to more than 920,000 yesterday, and is now regularly cited by Republican politicians and right-wing commentators.

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After starting out with a Twitter account that now has 1.5 million followers, Libs of TikTok-branded accounts have proliferated across social media sites including Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Telegram, Donald Trump's Truth Social and more.

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I am asking for misleading sources and information to be excluded. Knowledge (XXG) encourages editors to review sources in WP:RS: "Whether a specific news story is reliable for a fact or statement should be examined on a case-by-case basis"

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differentiating “adolescents and young adults”, makes the claim that they’re offering gender-affirmation surgery to young children dubious. So not only does your claim not cite a valid source, it also simply makes no logical sense.

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Also the first 6 citations are all "far-left" leaning publications. So if you want to keep the far-right tag, please cite "far-left publications have called Chaya far-right", because there is no consensus from neutral journalism.

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By the way, the Libs of TikTok Knowledge (XXG) page has been raided by anti-Raichik editors who made the anarchist demonstrations on Kaplan Street look like a birthday party. It is possibly the most vicious Wiki edit job I have

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Boston Children's Hospital warns employees over far-right online harassment campaign... after far-right activists on social media began targeting the hospital with false claims about its treatment of young transgender people.

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The report, released on Tuesday, pointed to posts from the right-wing, anti-LGBT Twitter account “Libs of TikTok” and right-wing political commentator Matt Walsh, who is known for his opposition to the transgender community.

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And the Washington Post skews left. In widely circulated sources, only PinkNews seems to be saying this consistently, and they skew too far left to be reliable.. To only call this "far-right" is in basic denial of facts.

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User Dronebogus is clearly misusing the hat template in their closure of my previous thread by attempting to win the argument and simultaneously attack my character. Not only that, but they also make several false claims.

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That video was then shared by a far-right Twitter account called ‘Libs of Tiktok’ to its more than 1.1 million followers, resulting in a dramatic uptick in the number of death threats and insults they received online.

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who serve transgender children and teens. It was recently suspended after a post led to death threats against providers at Boston Children’s Hospital, and a bomb threat caused the hospital to be put on lockdown.

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The key ingredient in Raichik’s early success on a topic with a relatively short shelf life was shamelessly tagging alt-right and far-right heavy hitters on Twitter, a strategy she continues to use to this day.

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real estate worker Chaya Raichik. The account reposts content created by liberals, leftists, and LGBT people on TikTok and on other social media platforms, often with hostile, derogatory, or mocking commentary."

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Do the moderators on this page, you included, accept that if something is reported by the extreme minority on the other side of the political spectrum, that characterization is what we should go with here on

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The right-wing platform is notorious for directing its followers to pro-LGBTQ+ “liberals” – who owner Chaya Raichik often calls – who are then routinely harassed.... tends to retweet from far-right sources

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is more misleading than the tweet in question. The article doesn't address how the claim is 'false' but makes the claim that it is false. The claim itself is not false, it is a verifiable fact.

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As I mentioned, the first 6 sources random sources I clicked on from this articles own sources pointedly don't call it far right, not to mention many others. Those six are cherrypicking.

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Raichik dined with former president Donald Trump earlier this year, and members of Congress routinely engage with Libs of TikTok posts—as do far-right groups, including neo-Nazis.

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The Ottawa-based e-commerce company Shopify Inc. says it won't withdraw its services from the online store of multiple anti-LGBTQ social media accounts despite some public outcry.

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I agree with you; this was a bit clumsy. Instead of changing the verb, however, I removed "having" altogether. I think that works, but do let me know if you disagree. Cheers.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/08/31/boston-childrens-hospital-bomb-threat-how-right-wing-media-escalate-harassment-of-lgbtq-friendly-places/?sh=77d7719e44d7

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among the right... shaping right-wing media, impacting anti-LGBTQ+ legislation and influencing millions by posting viral videos aimed at inciting outrage among the right.

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Taylor Lorenz has several articles directly attacking Chaya Raichik. I don't think she should be cited because she has made it clear she is a political opponent of Chaya.

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Libs of TikTok is part of a right-wing ecosystem on social media that has targeted transgender people, drag performers, LGBTQ advocates and others in recent years.

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The woman behind the far-right, anti-LGBTQ+ social media account Libs of TikTok finally showed her face in an interview with Tucker Carlson that premiered Tuesday.

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Regardless, the 'eligible adolescents' verbiage isn't the only verbiage they used to indicate they were offering these surgeries to minors. Here are other excerpts:

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The World Health Organization definition officially designates an adolescent as someone between the ages of 10 and 19. Is a 13 year old female not a 'young girl'?

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This weekend’s story time event was shared by Libs of TikTok, a rightwing anti-LGBTQ+ social media account with more than a million followers, SFGate reported.

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https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v8/SOC8%20Chapters%20for%20Public%20Comment/SOC8%20Chapter%20Draft%20for%20Public%20Comment%20-%20Adolescent.pdf

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n influential right-wing Twitter account published a recording that falsely suggested the hospital is performing hysterectomies on transgender children

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https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/technology/article/libs-of-tiktok-twitter-provocateur-gives-republicans-new-weapon-in-war-on-liberals-tfrrvh9rf

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unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame.

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A children’s hospital has been met with a wave of death threats and abuse after a “misinformation” campaign by right-wing media and Libs of TikTok.

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Matt Lavietes is the other one to copy her rhetoric His articles speak for themselves as they are far-left. These are the past few articles by Matt:

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Meanwhile, far-right activist groups and organisation... Right-wing personalities with influential social media channels, such as Libs of Tik Tok

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An account called "Libs of TikTok" has criticized children's hospitals nationwide, including Lurie's, for their care of transgender young people.

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In Los Angeles, a teacher who is transgender went on their TikTok account to denounce the so-called 'Don’t Say Gay' bill in the United States.

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https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/08/17/boston-childrens-hospital-doctors-facing-violent-threats-after-far-right-groups-spread-misinformation/

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report that libsoftiktok made a false claim about the Center for Gender Surgery at Boston Children's Hospital. The tweet in question is:

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https://www.jta.org/2022/04/19/politics/the-twitter-activist-behind-the-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-is-an-orthodox-jew-does-that-matter

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https://www.jta.org/2022/04/19/politics/the-twitter-activist-behind-the-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-is-an-orthodox-jew-does-that-matter

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Notorious anti-LGBTQ+ page Libs of TikTok was temporarily banned on Facebook and the person behind it locked out of the account.

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The six sources used to the end of calling Libs of Ticktock far-right are cherrypicked, and not all of them are even reliable.

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Talk:Libs_of_TikTok/Archive_7#If_LOTT_is_categorized_as_Far-Right_why_aren't_the_people_they_re-post_categorized_as_Far-Left?

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There is no good reason to qualify the statement the account is far-right without twisting yourself something ridiculous.

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I think there is enough reason here, to say the characterization as far-right is not shared by majority of journalism.

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It doesn't even disprove the claim made in the tweet, in-fact it makes the same claim within the article. If anything,

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https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/12/27/libs-tiktoks-chaya-raichik-spews-anti-lgbtq-bile-fox-interview-tucker-carlson

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https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/12/27/libs-tiktoks-chaya-raichik-spews-anti-lgbtq-bile-fox-interview-tucker-carlson

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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/boston-childrens-hospital-warns-employees-far-right-online-harassment-rcna43376

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All claims of "far-right" referring to Chaya herself or the page should be REMOVED and replaced with "conservative".

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https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/open-season-lgbtq-people-far-right-celebrates-liberation-twitter-rcna54542

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https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/open-season-lgbtq-people-far-right-celebrates-liberation-twitter-rcna54542

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https://web.archive.org/web/20220818232821/https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program

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Sources #17 and #18 are misleading: They do not provide truthful examples of this account spreading 'false claims'.

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https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/06/14/far-right-influencers-hyped-coeur-dalene-pride-patriot-front-showed

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3774664-harassment-reported-at-gender-affirming-care-providers-in-21-states/

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/drag-queen-event-stormed-men-believed-proud-boys-group-california

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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/libs-tiktok-x-chaya-raichik-bomb-threat-twitter-of-libsoftiktok-rcna102784

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-activist-behind-far-right-libs-of-tiktok-revealed-to-be-us-orthodox-jew/

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https://www.childrenshospital.org/sites/default/files/media_migration/f9a94dd5-cba9-4a58-b355-b012cb6e4e13.pdf

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is an article regarding the same tweet. It makes a similar unsubstantiated claim that it is 'misinformation'.

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https://www.npr.org/2022/08/26/1119634878/childrens-hospitals-are-the-latest-target-of-anti-lgbtq-harassment

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Following up on this as I came across an active PDF that utilizes the same 'eligible adolescents' verbiage:

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https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-childrens-hospital-ups-security-after-libs-of-tiktok-social-post

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/allyn-walker-professor-paedophile-virginia-b1960427.html

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https://www.euronews.com/2022/05/02/libs-of-tiktok-twitter-account-is-targeting-lgbtq-teachers-in-the-u-s

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