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When you think an edit summary is vague, you examine the content in context to clarify. This is normative also in literacy coursework: context defines meaning. Do I really have to start up a course here for the abcs of reading, which is an allusion of course to Ezra Pound? I really am beginning to
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The point is, you found nothing odd in the stub being there, since you had the page on your watch list. But you objected when I edited to replace a meaningless link to a virtually empty page, with one that lists all the major incidents for 2015. The implication is obvious. You find my edits
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According to Israel, and to people like you. Not the case for anyone else-- it's fairly obvious that Jerusalem isn't universally considered part of Israel, and that East Jerusalem is under Israeli occupation, replete with the illegal "settler" movement and their land theft campaign.
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believe that these problems are arising because I still read books, don't use cellphones, don't thumb tablets, don't use twitter or facebook, and do what they used to teach you in BubsĀ : parse sentences.
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