1872:..."you can see that they EXPLICITLY wrote the word "FACTS" in there, can't you".. so ISNT it a fact that boko haram if they slaughter and attack a whole village is considered as islamist terrorism??? and also funny "No, you can't assume that everything the Taliban does is terrorism." WRONG. you do NOT get the concept of terror or islamism but want tell us how this site works?? EVERY attack by taliban against regardless whom IS a terrorist attack , since all they aim is to attack their enemy, and their enemies are everyone who are NOT islamists as they are! the afghan national army are not islamsits.. hence they are killed in an attack by the taliban which is ..what asurprise of course islamist terrorism and should be put on the list!. i guess i know why you delete here so much. you know exactly that if isis, boko haram and all the others slaughter and murder people that this is terror by islamists and hence can be put on the list. not even a blind monkey would doubt this. but you are probably (maybe you are a muslim yourself) against the listing of these incidents here cause they are so blatantly against your personal agenda. political religous whatever. you merely take these fake arguments of Original research and verifiability to have at least a ground. but its just pethetic. absolutely. maybe you should get investigated by some admins or so whats really going on here. its absolute bias spreaded around to disruptively crash this whole article down with fake points and arguments.fake wikipedia guidelines that have nothing to do with whats going on here. no person with a clear mind would doubt after reading the bbc article of the burkina faso hotel attack that it was NO islamist terror. Just you. apparently. but there is more behind. why dont you just goahead and let us all know what its all about. and please not the same again with original research. thats wrong and oyu know it. otherwise you could take 90% of all incidents or even more from this article.. or what you probably all wish for just close this site down completely.
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only to denigrate me. but okay. Regarding the topic im very very confuesed about some peoples views. why should one not mention attacks of isis on military personal? the UN oficially has 194 member states. iraq and syria are among it. so every attack of an islamist organization against anyone is automatically a terrorist attacks since they do not represent a soverign state respecting the UN list of soverign states. why even arguing about that?. secondly, the word terrorism/terror is also fairly superlfous. often there are news articles about a certain incident who have a lot of details and evidence, yet they just dont say this was a terror attack but like that was a suicide attack by.. and so on. so that isnt a terrorist atack? a reliable source is needed to give evidence about the lsitings, but its not needed to state the obvious, that a suicide attack commited by islamists was a terrorist attack. thats just pure logic. or after all this "arguing".. why dont make it easy and edit the introduction a little bit in a way that clearly shows that all incidents listed here can be incidents by lone wolfers, organizations etc. and been carried out in all forms of terrorism, e.g. suicide attack, stabbing, poisoning etc. but thanks again for the unreasonable handling of this talk dispute. instead of deleting how about some genuinenly has a serious look on whats going on here..
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never put something on this list!. only if there is an source that clearly, as the two just mentioned examples of london and france, says that it was no islamist terror attack(also here not teh excact same words have to be said, but the whole incident itself needs to be described in this way), then one can, and even has to delete the incident. as long as there is nothing against it one HAS to put it on if the two criterias are given. again we are not here to decide about someones mental state or credibility. its only a list lsiting incidents fitting into a category. if criterias are given. put them on. if only partial, or later they appear to be wrong. then dont put the incidents on or delete them afterwards. that is the simple thing. no other way of how this thing works, no original research bullshit or some people arguing about someones mental state. i will put the incident of the taliban attack in kabul back on cause it fits both criterias and it makes absolutely NO sense at all to claim something as they are a "series" of attacks? what does this even matter, a series? a single attacK? that is absolutely unimportant. then just edit the incident by saying it was a series of attacks or whatever, but even then it still fits both criterias of terrorism with an islamist backround. but it is no reason to delet ethe incident at all. so far on that.
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or the source doesnt uses the exact words YOU want to hear. or then you come around and tell us that the taliiban is no islamist terrorist organization. or if that is also not enough then you proceed to say well. doesnt matter there is a whole war going on, thats why we may not list any single attacks here.... this is the way you "argue"... and you know whatĀ ? i might get the idea that you , for whatever reason, do this on purpose! its completely false. and makes no sense. you will always find a way to argue that this or that incident will not be put on the list. if 9/11 would be today you would find another "argument" to not mention it here. maybe cause no source tells the exact words. or other sources say they were mentally deranged. or just whatever. its a joke. the list has 2 criterias. if both are met and incident can be put on the list. ill do it again. and just that you dont even think about editing it again without the slightest reason. i guarantuee you you wont destroy this site with your disruptive behavior. if there is an incident. and the source mentions an islamist organization behind an violent attack. then it is more than enough sourced and will be put on the list.
1090:"Once again - the source does not refer to Islamism or terrorism." oh no?? "" "I think this about that group, therefore this source saying that group did X action - that means Islamist terrorism!"" it is NOT ME who thinks the taliban is an islamist organization its everyone who "thinks" this even themselves! how ignorant do you have to be to tell everyone that the taliban is everything but islamism?! do YOU have prove for that?? NO! but you act it all the way. and unless you dont prove otherwise they attacked the airport to rob the duty free shop for candys it definetly is an islamist terrorist attack if an international recognized islamist organization conducts such an attack! what you wish or want to believe doesnt matter at all. So basically you keep repeating your same talking over and over again. only cause the "word" islamism and terrorism isnt necessarily involved it is absolutely disqualified for you to be put on the list, completely neglecting the fact that the taliban IS an islamist terrorist organization, declaring itslef this way, and conducting terrorist attacks as ..well for example on the national airport..... and this stupid
1540:"Sometimes editors will insist on citations for material simply because they dislike it or prefer some other material, not because the material in any way needs verification. For example, an editor may demand a citation for the fact that most people have five digits on each hand (yes, this really happened). Another may decide that the color of the sky is actually aqua rather than blue, pull out an assortment of verifiable spectrographic analyses and color charts to demonstrate that this position is actually correct, and follow that with a demand that other editors provide equivalent reliable sources for the original statement that the sky is in fact blue. While there are cases where this kind of pedantic insistence is useful and necessary, often it is simply disruptive, and can be countered simply by pointing out that there is no need to verify statements that are patently obvious. If the alternate proposition merits inclusion in the article under other policies and guidelines it should of course be included, but it should in no way be given greater prominence because it is sourced."
1033:;" are you actually serious? the source explicitly and unambiguously points out to the taliban, which is an islamist terrorist organization, who carried out an attack on the kandahar airport. what else do you want a source to tell you? your "argument" makes no sense at all. i can fully understand that reliable sources are needed, and just you know it, there are way way more other incidents i wanted to consider to put onto the list, but you know what? i didnt do it cause they werent quite clear and sourced. but then the few getting put on here with a normal very good and reliable source you come up and tell something as "original research", with no logical gronds at all. tell me bastun, tell us, what else do you want aljazeera, bbc and co. or any other meda; press; news source to tell you if the stating that an islamist terrorist organization conducted a violent terrorist attack on the countries airport isnt enough and credible for you; no its even og? its absolutely disproportionate.
510:. does it actually is fun for you acting like you do? you know exactly that all the incidents are islamist terrorist attacks. the sources only support the incidents written here by supplying it with data that clearly indicates that the incident listed is A made with an extreme islamic backround and B by violent means aka terrorist attack. of course if there is a source that only talks about an explosion of something somehwere then it is quite nonsense to bring the incident on here and just assume it was an islamist one. that is Original research as you always point out. but if the article/news mentiones the circumstances in which it is evident and stated that it was perpetrated and aimed by islamist or even claimed, and plus it was a violent incident then it is clearly available for this wp article. simple as that. instead of focusing in editing, deleting and similar here just google the terms terrorist attack and islamism.
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out there mostly bastun who still doesnt know about taliban apparently the taliban are an islamist terror group and just in case you dont know about it either a bomb blast is a terrorist attack. simple as that, both criterias are given, no need to discuss or argue any further. im getting damn tired of this wannabecorrect shit of the ips and you bastun who whyever you do it act likethe most stupid monkeys on earth simply taking the og argument eventhough it is no OG at all. only your obsession with words arent fullfilled. but its not about excact words. it is about the incident itself, how the press describes it isnt of any importance. important is THAT they describe it in a way that it gets obvious WHO did WHAT. if i notice any more disruptive editing on this page regarding alleged OG, an admin or higher level wikipedia individual will be taken into this whole thing. it is really ludicrous. have a nice one.
2673:- summoned by bot - following Comatmebro's comments above, a Taliban firefight with U.S. Marines at an outpost in rural Afghanistan is obviously part of a longterm war, and not a "terrorist attack." Similarly, the PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by NATO, but might engage in conventional warfare with the Turkish army. Lastly, both Ukrainian and Russian media and politicians referred to militias in Eastern Ukraine as "terrorists" - how are we to know who are the real terrorists, and who freedom fighters instead? Automatically classifying a fight as "terrorist" when one combatant has been called a terrorist organization promises an endless series or POV edits and edit wars. -
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no nothing! and oyu know it. permanently repeating the point doesnt make it any more logical. you just dont like this site cause it "hurts" to see how many belief brothers of you do bad stuff hence you do anything possible to keep the lsit as short as possible. with the best way. and the only way to delete many entries is. to argue they are not good enough sourced. what a farce. not good enough source cause they missing one single word.. . that is how it is malik. exactly how it is. and you know it. nobody with a clear mind reading an article that mentions the taliban kidnap and kill people would say this was no terror attack, except YOU.
1164:? Synthesis`? Lets take the japanese incident out of consideration, im fine with NOT putting it on and it might seem it isnt evident so its okay. it wasnt me either who came up with it. but for the rest i do use ONE single source for ONE single incident in which its obviously and evidently declared WHO was behind WHAT. if WHO appears to be eg. taliban, boko haram(self-and generally declared islamist terrorist organizations) and WHAT appears to be a violent attack attack eg. suicide bombing, gun attack(terror attack) THEN--: -->
491:, do me the courtesy of pinging me so I can see it and respond - especially if you're going to accuse me of socking. No, I'm no that IP - it resolves to the continental United States, I live in and post from Ireland. And like it or not (I don't), IPs are allowed edit the article and comment. I actually agree with some of what you've written above - but I have justifiably criticised you for including material that wasn't referenced. I think perhaps you jump the gun a bit in including material (and
4258:). As I said before, I can see a reason for inclusion here based on initial reporting, but we need to be prepared to remove or alter based on future reporting and investigation. If it comes to light that Mateen only used ISIL as a cover or excuse for his actions, but investigators find that this was a "typical" mass shooting, we need to remove it from here. That it's being questioned also justifies exclusion from the list until we have a firmer understanding of events and, more importantly, motive.
2304:- this got what looked like consensus, but the "Additional comments" section clarified that what people actually agree to is that the specific attack needs to be explicitly cited as terrorist in RS, and the organization needs to be cited as Islamist in RS, but not necessarily the same single source article, it's enough that the organization be cited as Islamist separately. 2: "any attack described in RS by a designated terrorist group adhering to Islamist ideology should be included on this list" -
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the information available changes. So too must
Knowledge change in response to the RS. But if we see things are influx, contradictory, or being questioned by top-quality RS and investigators alike, we do have the option to postpone our decisions pending further information. There is not deadline and no need to publish the latest, breaking news (NOTNEWS after all). I think within a week we'll have a better idea of what to do. Until then, I'm not going to commit one way or the other.
459:. secondly i fully agree with you to delete the incident of the tube station attack when it came clear that it was probably no islamist terrorist attack. ( though this is an exception cause then you have to delete the whole list, cause in a way arent all islamists mentally disturbed???). in this case however i agree that it appears that it doesnt fit into the list. and the incident with the french teacher who accused of an islamist terrorist attacked, i agree with deleting..--: -->
2835:. I agree that not all attacks are terrorism, so requiring a source to mention terrorism is a perfectly valid argument. Requiring a source to explicitly say the Taliban, IS or Al-Qaida are Islamist is rather pointless. The Pope is Catholic even if a source doesn't say so, Obama is US President even if a source doesn't say so, Netanyahu is Israeli PM even if a source doesn't say so, and the Taliban, IS, Boko Haram and Al-Qaida are Islamist even if a source doesn't say so.
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3696:, 'Terror enemy No. 1: Lone wolves like Orlando killer Omar Mateen'; cites President Obama President Barack Obama said āit is increasingly clearā that the killer, a U.S. citizen, became āradicalizedā by āextremist information and propaganda over the internetā. Comey, the FBI director, said no evidence gathered so far pointed to a āplot directed from outside the United Statesā or that the killer was a member of a foreign terrorist organization.
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619:"In case they don't, do your own research"?! Er, no. That's not how wikipedia works. On a non-contentious article, sure, one can add a 'citation needed' template at an appropriate place. Or a 'reference does not state this' template. On a controversial article like this one, though, there are extra, explicit guidelines: namely, do not add material unless a reliable source states that an incident is both terrorist
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no malik as explained several times before the incident itself has to fulfill the 2 criterias so that one is able to but the incidenton the list. and btw, ANY attack or violent action by the taliban is automatically an terrorist attack, why? due to the fact that it is conducted with the mere purpose of islamism. To get money, spread fear, kill opponets etc...so that the extremist views are pushed forward. so what
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2654:- This option ensures reliability. We don't want a list of so-called "terrorist attacks" even if they aren't supported by reliable sources. Small incidents with terrorist groups like the Taliban occur on a regular basis, therefore, in my opinion, aren't warranted as an attack. The listed attacks should be cited in a reliable source as being a terrorist attack for it to be included on this list. Cheers,
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the words do not have to be put into the source, and it is NO original research. original reserach would be if one simply takes an incident of , for instance a bomb attack in indonesia and just conclude it was an "islamist" attack. one can see one criteria is given, the bomb attack (which is a form of terror), but the other criteria is not given yet, so one cannot write it on the list--: -->
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3713:'As Profile of Orlando Shooter Develops, Questions About His Motives Remain' But while nothing we've learned from further investigation into Mateenās life has invalidated the theory that he was ultimately motivated by Islamic extremism, a profile has developed which, at this point, may align better with a typical mass-shooter than a man who was solely inspired by ISIS to become a jihadist.
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including it. Even if an
Islamist mofo runs up to me on the street and tells me personally that he has killed the archdevil Obama, I will NOT be including that in wikipedia. So my question is two fold, firstly why in the name of uncle sam's short and curlies are you citing an essay to violate a policy? and secondly why are you continuing to cite an essay to violate a policy?
1474:. And there are other removals also (which are confirmed terrorist attack) Either he is trying to be too strict and follow neutral POV or he is simply trying to reduce the number of incidents in good faith to keep the page in readable length. If we list every attack in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechen, Somalia, Nigeria, Syria, Pakistan, and India, then what will this page become?
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be asserted in
Knowledge's voice. The Washington Post article merely says that Mateen pledged allegiance to ISILāagain, insufficient for making a conclusion that the shooting was an "Islamist terrorist attack" in Knowledge's voice. Someone needs to present sources that actually says the Orlando shooting was an Islamist terrorist attack, or it has to be removed per
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one in a series of
Taliban raids. Or the Tel Aviv shooting you restored to the list -- none of the sources here or in the Knowledge article about the shooting describe it as a terrorist attack, but it was perpetrated by an Arab -- must be Islamist terrorism, right? What may seem "patently obvious" to you is not at all obvious to others, which is why we require
1761:, allegations, and ideasāfor which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and
4244:, not Islamic. I think your POV is showing... Still not sure why you think the 911 call needs to have mentioned gays, and I think it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that the person who murdered multiple gay people at a gay nightclub appears to have been a regular customer and was apparently gay himself. Which is not common among Islamist terrorists...
2581:. They are policies for very valid reasons. What happens in the absence of such a requirement? In the very recent past, we've had the inclusion of a years-old unsolved murder in Japan, an attack at a London tube station by a man subsequently sectioned under the UK Mental Health Act, an attack on a Paris school that turned out to be a hoax.
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wolves unaffiliated directly with any terror organisation but they were still considered to perpetrate a terror attack by all authorities and media.. There is also lately many new developments in Israel where they are finding out just how influenced by terror and
Islamic extremism the shooter was!! Care to examine anything I wrote???
2308:, and, again, discussion revealed that most of the people supporting this option didn't actually mean "any attack", but merely any attack reliably described as a terrorist attack. And of course that we need to be sure the attack was actually by the group in question, not a lone wolf. So, it looks like consensus is to include
2548:, how do we know who is actually suspected of the attack? Why would we waive such a core aspect of WP for such a highly controversial and nuanced topic? It seems this topic is precisely the type that benefits most from a careful evaluation of sources. Let's not be too literal with this wording, though.
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FBI and Obama confirm Omar Mateen was radicalized on the internet. 'Comey added that he was āhighly confidentā that Mateen had been radicalized at least in part online. In chorus with Obama he emphasized that there continued to be no evidence, however, of any direct plot, or direction of the shooter,
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I'm conflicted on this at the moment. We do "variability, not truth", but RS are starting to cast doubt on the event as being
Islamist extremism/terrorism. The classification as "Islamist" is what's being questioned. Since there's "no deadline" and all, it may be prudent to exclude it for now until a
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The case for calling this an "Islamist terrorist attack" is very weak if we follow the sources that I've seen. The sources in the article simple do not support the material in the article. The Daily Mail article says that "ISIS has claimed responsibility". ISIS is a fringe source and their view can't
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Were just not right. you can see that they EXPLICITLY wrote the word "FACTS" in there, can't you? Its right there bolded up for you in the very first sentence. This means that unless a RELIABLE source says that an event is a terrorist attack we will NOT be including it. Simple as that, we will NOT be
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As the title makes clear, my edit was based on procedure. If we discuss individual cases and personal opinions, I'd agree with you on the Tel Aviv attack, undecided on the
Taliban one and very much disagree on the Boko Haram one. But ok, I'll admit that you answered my question and made your argument
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Read what i wrote above. it is NO original research if you mention an incident and take a source that doesnt use the words you point out to. what is needed is that the incident itself has to be carried out by islamists and needs to be a violent action as terrorist attacks mostly are. thats the thing.
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WRONG. a source does NOT have to talk or refer to an incident as islamist terorism in this exact terminology but what the news source explains and states has to content the needed points that fit into the criteria otherwise you just could jsut look for random sources who only have the words you want.
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And going by just the criteria you list above, you'd be adding incorrect information. Example: the recent Tube station incident in London. Perpetrator shouts "this is for Syria", it gets labelled (reasonably) as an
Islamist terrorist attack. But then it turns out, no, the perpetrator is sectioned
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Again the NPR story is the only source on the claim and its based on anonymous sources that contradict the statements of officials on the record, including the president. The other story is about a comment he made to coworkers 3 years earlier. It is grasping at straws to psychoanalyze a dead man who
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announced that the shooter in a homophobic mass shooting had pledged allegiance to ISIL, NBC News announced it as if it were a fact, and all the world media ran with it, sometimes attributing it to NBC News and sometimes not. That doesn't make a homophobic mass shooting an
Islamist terrorist attack.
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from labeling such an attack for what it seems to be, there is likely to be very good reason for it. That's most likely going to indicate some degree of confusion over the motive or actor. It behooves
Knowledge to wait until there is clarity and verifiable sources to support that clarity, or else we
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I think a duck is a duck even if the RS call them militants or don't use the word "terrorist" or don't explicitly give Islamist ideology as the reason. If Islamic terrorists do something that looks like a terrorist attack - bomb a plane/market/building/bus/, take hostages, mass shooting, or whatever
2300:- there is clear consensus that the specific attack needs to be called a terrorist attack by reliable sources (RS), and that a "front line warfare action" would not qualify. 1: "both "Islamist" and "terrorist" must be explicitly cited in RS as motivations for the attack to be included on the list" -
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I did not miss the next sentence but I thank you for your concern, a group does not have to claim responsibility in order for such an attack to be terror, but if you were ideologically influenced that is more then enough, for instance look at the case of the Boston Brothers from 2013, they were lone
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haha nice try malik. you are muslim and just cant stand what your brothers doing for atrocities, you go so far that you even try to hinder people adding incidents here of bokoharam attackers that slaughter people to death alive. to call NOT islamist terrrorism. THATS WHATS ABOUT. no original reseach
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it is allright to put it on the list. no OG no synthesis or whatever. simple. i myself want the incidents to be sourced properly. like i said i dont put on here dozens of attacks since the bakcround is not quite clear, as for example many recent lone wolf Palestinian-israeli attacks. but if there is
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NO SOURCE has to content the excact words of islamist terrorist attacks. it is NOT needed. what is needed, is that every incident listed here needs to have a source that states WHO acted out WHAT.... so if the lets say taliban act out a bomb blast BOTH criterias of this list are given. since for all
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The 911 call he made to the cops don't mention gays at all, it just mentions Islam and ISIL. I find it hard to believe the bending over backwards we see here to not call this Islamist terror. It is very well sourced and should be included. "swears allegiance to ISIS" is the next one down, and this
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Re the likes of the Taliban and Daesh - what do you do about what is often essentially open warfare? Sure, suicide bombings on civilian targets are clear and will have plenty of sources calling the attack terrorist; less so where it's essentially an armed attack on a base, installation or airport.
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Absolutely. I'd support a very high barrier for any lone wolf attack. Neither the fact that a lone wolf is Muslim or even that (s)he had Islamist sympathies is enough in itself for lone wolf attacks. But as we both agreed, attacks by well-known Islamist organizations shouldn't be an issue regarding
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My rationale is kinda simpler than others. If any attack etc is a "terrorist" attack carried out by "Islamist guys" sooner rather than later there will be an RS saying that. We here at wikipedia are not a news agency and there is literally zero emphasis on speed of content creation. So we can , and
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According to the Shin Bet, Milhem abandoned the taxi on a road in northern Tel Aviv, and used public transportation to get to the Wadi Ara region of his hometown. Before fleeing Tel Aviv, Melhem hung a banner on a rooftop on which he wrote āDaesh,ā the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State (IS), and
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in afghanistan?? so what. europe is at war with isis so hence we may not list single incidents either happening on european ground?.. the whole argument frame is ridiculous. basically you say we may NEVER put anything on this list. you will always find something. its either not good enough sourced.
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cause it was a wrong accusation. BUT everything else IS an terrorist attack if the TWO criterias are given. WE are not here to decide if someone is mentally disturbed or potentially liyng or whatever...did you know there are even people out there believing 9/11 was an inside job!, since then we may
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See above, re Napoleon. If he'd identified himself as a Martian, that still wouldn't make it an act of interplanetary terrorism. Per plenty of sources, the perpetrator seems to have been a disturbed individual, probably gay himself, which caused him all sorts of mental problems given his apparent
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Right, we don't know everything yet, why he chose that or whatever. But we do know it was Islamic Terrorism. He said as such. The 911 calls say as such and the sources say as such. The shooter pledged support to ISIS, how is that not enough? It was enough for the France incident, it was enough for
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Him swearing allegiance matters less than how RS characterize the attack. I may be determined his actions were not Islamist terrorism despite him trying to make them appear to be so. But what matters here is what RS call it. That's why I'm conflicted: RS characterizations of events are changing as
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I realize there have been an enormous debate about what to label as "islamic terrorism", I would just like to point out to the fact that there is an abnormally large amount of attacks listed in Israel that have been considered as religiously motivated rather than politically. Has anyone checked to
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first thanks for falsy deleting my old account for the minor reason if using "not" appropriate language. if someone has any issue of hearing the truth you might be wrong on wikipedia. furthermore the mere argument my old account would have only been a "single" purpose account is a wrong allegation
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Nothing is "patently obvious". The Taliban, for example, are at war with the government of Afghanistan. Does that mean every military engagement between the Taliban and the Afghan army is a terrorist attack? Reliable sources describe the airport attack that you restored to the list as just that --
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Some of those removals by Malik was actually right as the Norway attack, but most of his removals are really really questionable. Any mass murder, massacre by Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shadab can be listed here, whether the source mentions it as terrorist attack or not mention it. As
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As some users have taken to blanket deleting content, can I remind them that the proper procedure is to tag the content and discuss it. I agree that we should not automatically include any attack here, but that's why we have discussion boards. If an unsourced attack is added, just remove it. If an
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it has to be motivated by an extreme islamic views and backround. if these 2 points are given and reported in an incident by a newspage it is qualified for this list. the news does NOT has to explicitely say something like "hello people of the world, this was an islamist and terrorist attack...".
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As Bastun has aptly pointed out, the sources presented immediately above contradict the notion that the shooting was an Islamist terrorist attack. At best, they support the claim "Mateen may have been radicalized over the internet". That is far too speculative to justify including the shooting on
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terrorist instead of just a generic terrorist; ISIS leadership didn't have to plan it or have any contact with Mateen in order for him to have done it in their name and according to (his interpretation of) their ideology/exegesis.). No "experts on Islamism" are needed to confirm the obvious when
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I think this is fairly obvious, and I must admit to not even understanding those who disagree. Is anyone seriously claiming that sometimes the Taliban, IS or Al-Qaida perform attacks out of buddhist, vegetarian, liberal, socialist or jedi convictions? If we know that a group is Islamist, and good
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BBC article never uses the word "terrorist" for a mass shooting/hostage taking that killed a bunch of westerners. The group is undeniably a terrorist group (BBC uses the word "militants") and what BBC terms an "attack" can only be shorthand for terrorist attack. Based only on this BBC source, the
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both criterias for this list are given and the incident can be listed, this is NO original research. both needed criterias are fullfilled and given in the source. claiming it as OG is simply a form of violating and disturbing the work in wikipedia. i will add the incidents back on and in case of
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I have removed the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting from this list. It does not meet the stated inclusion criteria for the list. The fact that ISIL has, via their media agency, made such a claim does not make it true. The FBI has not made such a determination. Including this entry in this article
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Reasonable people can distinguish a front line warfare action in Iraq (not terrorism) from a terrorist attack on a Paris street or hotel in Burkina Faso. Lone wolfs should be more carefully scrutinized but if ISIL drives a truck bomb into a police station or market in Egypt and brags about it on
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I believe the wording of this RfC does not reflect the debate. Both options you wrote are quite reasonable - a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack and it should be cited to RS. Can I suggest that each side here write a concise proposed lead sentence that defines the inclusion criteria. Then
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Ok, it's an essay, that still does not change anything. It's often referred to, and if you think it's "100% wrong" I suggest you argue for its deletion. We should source anything that is not immediately obvious or that is contested. Are you seriously arguing that a massacre by Boko Haram is not
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You are selectively quoting the source. the source (FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Ron Hopper) went on to say ....agents think Mateen āwas radicalized domestically,ā rather than directed by any foreign terrorist group. This is what every reliable source with named sources states. Not my
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are both policies and compliance with them is not optional and that these organizations attack a plethora of targets from other terrorists to common civilians, so we should wait until an RS calls something a terrorist attack before including it. The two options being given through this RFC are
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Well if you read my edit summaries and the page history, it would have been clear what I was doing and why. Look at the talk page and its archives. I have been over this many, many times. No, you can't assume that everything the Taliban does is terrorism. Islamist, yes, but describing it as a
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Of course! this article explicitly gives evidence that the attack was conducted by islamists. it doesnt have to mention the word "terror/ism/ist". it is without any doubt clear that this is terrorism. this list is called "list of islamist terrorist attacks" and hence includes all attacks and
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sources for the unsolved murder (which you call assassination, the sources don't) of a Japanese translator do not mention Islamism, or terrorism, in relation to the killing. Etc. Once again - please refrain from personal attacks in edit summaries, your responses here, and on my talk page.
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sources for the unsolved murder (which you call assassination, the sources don't) of a Japanese translator do not mention Islamism, or terrorism, in relation to the killing. Etc. Once again - please refrain from personal attacks in edit summaries, your responses here, and on my talk page.
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sources describe it as islamist, then of course an attack carried out by it is an islamist attack. We should use sources, but this is like claiming we cannot say that a statement by the Pope represents Catholicism if a source just says it's by the Pope without mentioning catholicism.
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From the 911 call from the gay club? Isn't it surprising that the killer didn't mention gays once, yet spoke about Islam? Again, he self-identified as a muslim terrorist, I fail to see the need to bend over backwards to have this labeled as a regulr shooting and not Islamic Terror.
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decisions about which groups they deem "terrorist organizations". Being on a list of "designated terrorist organizations" only means that a group has pissed off the government. In fact, more than a few groups so designated later were elected to the government -- for example, the
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There have been several attacks this year which have been confirmed as terrorist attacks in Paris, Istanbul, Burkina Faso and in Tel aviv, Israel. The terrorist who shot people at the bar in Tel aviv was affiliated with Isis according to various official and credible reports.
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The FBI is investigating reports that Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen used gay dating apps and regularly visited Pulse before he shot more than 100 people inside, killing 49. One man said Mateen had asked him out, while another said they had chatted on a dating
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should, patiently wait for an RS to label it as such before adding it to the list. The basic pillars have been created to push for better quality, and never has wikipedia been about "reporting" the facts quickly. We have news services for that, which we use as RS.
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Regarding your other complaints, it has been determined that he swore his allegiance to ISIS (confused, contradictory, or otherwise). Are you saying ISIS isn't Islamist or Islamic terrorist? This is really very simple.
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covers exactly that. We don't need a source saying that the sky is blue, or that a massacre by a terrorist group is terrorism. That's not to say these attacks cannot be discussed, but they should not be blanket reverted.
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There is a difference between saying this was an ISIS attack or just saying this was Islamic Terror. We don't know if this was sponsored by ISIL and most likely wasn't, but it was Islamic Terror. Partial Transcript:
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Malik is a good serious user who is here for all the right reasons. He and I simply disagree on how to implement an important policy and that's all there's to it. I won't be party to any questioning of his motives.
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whether or not he was a member of ISIS is a red herring. He was investigated by the FBI as a radical Islamist twice before. Public statements made by named government sources in multiple primary sources say he was
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Florida June 12, 2016 - Omar Mateen, pledging allegiance to ISIS, attacked the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Fl, killing 49 and wounding 53 others before he himself was killed in a shootout with police.
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attack not attributed to an islamist is added, just remove it. But if an attack is carried out by islamists and the information is well-sourced, then tag it and discuss it here to gain consensus about it.
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If it's clear and sourced that an attack was carried out by an Islamist group such as Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Qaida etc., then I don't see what plausible argument there can be against including it here.
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for it neither cites a motive or uses the word terror(ist). I would exclude normal battlefield actions in conventional warfare (ie fighting by ISIL and Taliban against government forces)
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clear. You do not think a massacre carried out by a known Islamist group can be listed as an Islamist terrorist attack. While I respect your opinion, I very much disagree with it.
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citations for inclusion, then we end up with those previously added by some users taking part in this debate, where unsolved murders are described as terrorist assassinations.
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EDIT: Didn't see survey. PS: I guess we should have survey about whether 9/11 or 7/7 was an Islamist attack. In fact, let's debate obvious facts until the cows come home.
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The article has an FBI official confirm his story-- why isnt it an RS? In particular as evidence for his sympathies and beliefs shared with Anwar Alawaki
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If we can fairly and neutrally describe the options, editors can vote and present their arguments - we don't need to make the arguments with the options
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Clarification: We all agree that when good sources describe an "Islamist" group being responsible for an attack, and the attack is verifiable as an
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It's good that we all agree on that. Efforts to remove items that fall into that should be viewed as vandalism, not some mere content dispute.
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4765:edit request
4688:edit summary
4656:
4652:WP:FLAGCRUFT
4650:My guess is
4634:
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4488:WP:SECONDARY
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2055:source check
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1367:WP:OWNERSHIP
1346:Indeed, and
1306:
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1130:WP:SYNTHESIS
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1026:"Reference:
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870:edit request
838:
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4602:Kingsindian
3323:, you said
3240:local yokel
3002:Makeandtoss
2567:required by
2486:refinement:
2471:edited RFC
1476:Marvel Hero
1446:Agree with
1330:Marvel Hero
959:: You need
701:Reference:
688:Reference:
602:(breaching
598:In his/her
205:From 11:30
164:Death toll
36:This is an
4773:|answered=
4191:Sir Joseph
4136:Sir Joseph
4090:Sir Joseph
3998:Sir Joseph
3960:Sir Joseph
3889:Sir Joseph
3463:Regarding
3039:|answered=
2831:don't need
2658:Comatmebro
2634:WP:NOTBLUE
2233:As far as
2149:the source
2116:Thank you
878:|answered=
740:|answered=
632:Examples:
623:Islamist.
409:WP:NOTNEWS
324:Comatmebro
303:Kerdooskis
90:ArchiveĀ 10
4675:Please {{
4511:Please {{
4490:sources.
4457:Please {{
4388:suspicion
4342:Please {{
4279:Please {{
3970:opinion.
3627:Please {{
3533:Please {{
3484:Jujutsuan
3469:WP:BIASED
3452:Please {{
3367:Jujutsuan
3355:only mean
3321:Jujutsuan
3177:Jujutsuan
3152:perceived
2919:Legacypac
2787:Owlsmcgee
2738:Legacypac
2721:Legacypac
2579:synthesis
2550:Owlsmcgee
2513:Legacypac
2499:Legacypac
2469:Legacypac
2453:Legacypac
2401:Option(2)
2075:this tool
2068:this tool
1870:Human3015
1820:political
1506:Legacypac
1402:. Unless
1326:Terrorism
1262:Legacypac
1239:Legacypac
1197:Legacypac
916:āĀ Martin
780:Not done:
669:as above;
568:Islamism
405:WP:RECENT
223:shootings
161:Incident
156:Location
82:ArchiveĀ 5
77:ArchiveĀ 4
71:ArchiveĀ 3
65:ArchiveĀ 2
60:ArchiveĀ 1
4815:Mandruss
4700:MOS:FLAG
4559:Mrdthree
4470:Mrdthree
4424:Mrdthree
4306:Mrdthree
4027:accurate
3972:Mrdthree
3954:, ", ":
3857:Mrdthree
3800:Mrdthree
3782:Mrdthree
3751:Mrdthree
3733:Mrdthree
3715:Mrdthree
3698:Mrdthree
3680:Mrdthree
3643:Mrdthree
3585:Mrdthree
3566:Napoleon
3548:Mrdthree
3503:contribs
3417:MShabazz
3386:contribs
3196:contribs
3090:Not done
3070:Ghostvet
2857:MShabazz
2638:MShabazz
2563:Support.
2541:Support.
2212:contribs
2200:unsigned
2133:contribs
2121:unsigned
2081:Cheers.ā
1991:cbignore
1862:MShabazz
1833:MShabazz
1747:MShabazz
1727:MShabazz
1694:MShabazz
1635:MShabazz
1604:obvious.
1587:MShabazz
1583:policies
1416:MShabazz
973:WP:NOR/N
803:Thanks,
762:Thanks,
556:that do
266:ŠŠ°Š½Š“ŠøŃŠŗŠ°
167:Injured
4582:WP:NPOV
3920:on the
3359:Islamic
3122:WP:NPOV
2782:refrain
2751:Support
2734:Support
2713:Support
2688:Support
2675:Darouet
2671:Support
2652:Support
2630:WP:BLUE
2623:require
2612:Support
2448:Comment
2419:Comment
2388:. TLDR
2386:WP:BLUE
2381:Taliban
2377:WP:BLUE
2362:Taliban
2337:WP:BLUE
2333:WP:BLUE
2091::Online
2020:checked
1985:my edit
1788:WP:NPOV
1563:WP:BLUE
1535:WP:BLUE
1348:WP:BLUE
1215:doesn't
566:neither
318:Support
299:Support
280:Support
258:Support
186:Taliban
39:archive
4727:R00b07
4702:, and
4696:WP:EGG
4672:(talk)
4618:R00b07
4591:Bastun
4586:WP:NOR
4508:(talk)
4454:(talk)
4356:Bastun
4339:(talk)
4276:(talk)
4247:Bastun
4180:Bastun
4126:Bastun
4080:Bastun
4032:Bastun
3988:Bastun
3847:Bastun
3772:Bastun
3678:below.
3624:(talk)
3575:Bastun
3530:(talk)
3471:says:
3449:(talk)
3277:Bastun
3139:WP:BRD
3093:- See
2971:Bastun
2908:Bastun
2873:Jeppiz
2837:Jeppiz
2827:should
2756:Jeppiz
2599:Bastun
2584:Bastun
2573:, and
2515:done.
2379:. e.g
2314:GRuban
2302:Almost
1999:nobots
1959:Jeppiz
1866:Jeppiz
1858:Bastun
1792:Jeppiz
1751:Jeppiz
1663:Jeppiz
1608:Jeppiz
1559:Jeppiz
1545:Jeppiz
1461:Bastun
1353:Jeppiz
1310:Jeppiz
1162:Bastun
1140:Bastun
1068:Bastun
1054:war on
1018:Bastun
1001:Bastun
810:Bastun
765:Bastun
711:Bastun
604:WP:3RR
579:Bastun
508:Bastun
498:Bastun
457:bastun
414:Bastun
394:Bastun
4777:|ans=
4763:This
4713:Stalk
4631:Flags
4574:WP:RS
4484:WP:RS
4405:WP:OR
4394:might
3931:Stalk
3918:today
3422:Stalk
3317:WP:OR
3250:Stalk
3118:WP:OR
3043:|ans=
3029:This
2944:Ooboj
2862:Stalk
2643:Stalk
2546:WP:RS
2425:Human
2373:WP:RS
2358:WP:RS
2354:WP:RS
2256:Stalk
2185:Stalk
1935:Joobo
1924:Stalk
1874:Joobo
1838:Stalk
1829:Irgun
1798:Human
1759:facts
1732:Stalk
1699:Stalk
1640:Stalk
1592:Stalk
1571:essay
1456:WP:RS
1452:don't
1433:Joobo
1421:Stalk
1373:Human
1277:Joobo
1243:Joobo
1224:Stalk
1183:Joobo
1168:Joobo
1097:Joobo
1035:Joobo
992:Joobo
957:Joobo
942:Joobo
914:Added
882:|ans=
868:This
744:|ans=
734:This
610:says
608:Joobo
560:have
550:WP:OR
546:Joobo
512:Joobo
506:Dear
489:Joobo
463:Joobo
368:Joobo
284:Zezen
153:Date
16:<
4797:talk
4731:talk
4641:talk
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4584:and
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4563:talk
4474:talk
4428:talk
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4296:talk
3976:talk
3861:talk
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3786:talk
3767:none
3755:talk
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3719:talk
3702:talk
3684:talk
3647:talk
3589:talk
3552:talk
3499:talk
3407:The
3382:talk
3315:and
3313:WP:V
3192:talk
3120:and
3097:. -
3074:talk
3061:url=
3006:talk
2948:talk
2923:talk
2877:talk
2841:talk
2805:talk
2791:talk
2760:talk
2742:Wykx
2725:talk
2697:talk
2679:talk
2632:and
2618:and
2554:talk
2521:talk
2503:talk
2477:talk
2457:talk
2428:3015
2408:talk
2343:and
2318:talk
2312:. --
2249:. ā
2208:talk
2129:talk
2024:true
1963:talk
1939:talk
1917:" ā
1878:talk
1801:3015
1776:talk
1749:and
1725:? ā
1667:talk
1612:talk
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