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I'm getting pretty fed up with the can't do anything attitude, when it comes to this page. This reason for not making changes its hitting rock bottom. Its not brain surgery, and its not that hard to explain the basic outline of a plot.... If that is the case the most of the plot information should
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You attitude is really awful, and I see I rattled your cage aswell since I postage that same warning message you give me. Its Not very nice is it, when a radmon nobody given you mean messages like that which includes "band" threats, you have no say over and to be fair you would also come under the
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when discussing the page and avoid statements like that users don't care. I do agree with you that we need to get references for this page. Do you know where we could find these references? What else should we focus our attention on?
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Hey, I got your ping. I don't really favor making any drastic changes. If @User:Z1720's suggestions are taken up won't they require a lot of rewriting (as the episodes as the list currently contain only the barest plot info)?
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Spoiler information has no ref, how do we know you that is the right information? How do we know what is postage is correct?
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