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Pardon my French, but bull shit was he ever head trainer at the school. Punk was the first, and when he left for WWE, Aries took over. When Aries signed with TNA, he handed the keys off to
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What is it to be for? The person(s) the current champions defeated to win the belts? The previous champions? The state of the title prior to the current champions holding it? There seems to be no consistency. When Davey
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Wouldn't it make more sense to list the official ROH website, rohwrestling.com? I tried to make this change myself but I see it was changed back. While the Live
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How is it not notable with their being 3-4+ events for each of these? Thats more than many of the WWE shows. Just make sure to include date/place/attendence/correct results/infobox that everyone of the WWF/E, WCW, and ECW PPVs had.
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