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series first, then discuss the events of the show. Then the issue arises on how to discuss stories now "abandoned" by the show-makers. If anything, I'd say that the issues with most of these sections is that they're too long -- there's too much info on Rick Hunter to write it from a real-world point
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That's true, looking over this list, it's clear that a lot of it is just not
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Why remove any reference to the Robotech adaptation from the original Japanese pages? They still exist, all this stuff still happened, the page should mention the other version and touch up on differences, not pretend that the show didn't exist except for one DAB link. As a Wiki of info, you should
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is borderline stub, but gets to keep its place as a page? Why hasn't his page been cut and pasted to a list with the original carcass being made into a redirect? And why are we doing this to every character, including the non-Macross Saga counterparts, and shoving them onto a "low-importance" page?
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I'm a little confused by the idea on this site that we need to both separate Macross and Robotech pages while also making it clear that Robotech is somehow inferior. A lot of these "character bios" are clearly scraped from Macross Saga pages to remove reference to the Robotech version, with nothing
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I think it is better to say that they are "equivalents of" each other. As in they have equivalent places in the animation, but allowing for the idea that they have individual, separate developments within each storyline.
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