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The result was many US Heavyweight, US Tag, & World Tag team titles. The funniest thing I keep reading is "WCW withdrawing in 1991." WCW didn't withdraw in 1991. After the sale of JCP to Turner Jim Crockett worked for Turner as a consultant which allowed Turner to use the NWA (via Crockett's NWA membership). A falling out between Crockett & Turner in late 1990 led the rest of the NWA membership (Don Owen in Portland, Oregon, Steve Rickard in New Zealand, and Larry O"Day in Australia) to back Crockett and demand Turner to join in able to continue to use the NWA name. Turner had Gary Juster join, but decided to drop the NWA name from TV. WCW never left the NWA in 1991, they continued to be an NWA member until they decided not to renew their membership in September 1993. TNA was NEVER a member, they had an agreement with the NWA to book their titles in excehnage for some needed exposure. TNA didn't keep their end of the bargin so the NWA took their titles back. Back to the World Tag title, I find it funny when I keep reading that when the name of the tag title was changed from NWA to WCW, there's claims that "the NWA version is considered vacant". There never really was an NWA version. It was a Crockett title, sold to Turder, and later sold to McMahon, which is why the US Title went from being an "NWA" title to a WCW title, and now a WWE title. Funny someone claimed that when the tournament happened in 1992 that Gordy & Williams winning the tournament was for the revived Mid Atlantc version. Again, the Mid Atlantc version was owned by Crockett and sold to Turner, and became the WCW title. What Williams & Gordy won was a newly created title. It's also funny that the NWA only list their title as far back as 1995 and won't list everyone from Williams & Gordy to Anderson & Roma. More revisionist history! 20:42 July 17, 2009 (UTC)

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the Florida promotion and the Central States titles were in use prior to Bob Geigel owning the Central States promotion. The NWA's one rule was the individual promoters could create any title they wanted except for a world heavyweight title, they had to recognize the NWA World Heavyweight Title. Which is why there were 12 different "NWA" World Tag Team Titles (the Minneapolis version became the AWA World Tag Team Title, just as the Mid Atlantic version became the WCW title) and there were a dozen US Heavyweight Titles, and several US Tag Team Titles. Again, the individual promoters created these title, not the NWA. Why would the NWA create all these different titles with the same names? Making sense now?

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Buff Bagwell won the title together; Bagwell turned on Steiner the following night. Steiner had to pick a new partner and chose Kenny Kaos (yes, of High Voltage fame). For some reason that I can't remember, Kaos left the team. Steiner chose the partner that would anger Buff Bagwell the most, and Judy Bagwell became WCW Tag Team Champion. I can't find a reliable source for the whole story (does the Wrestling Title Histories book discuss it at all?), but Judy Bagwell is ranked #2 worst wrestling champion of all time in

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World Championship history.) That doesn't mean that there should be no mention whatsoever on the Knowledge article. If Knowledge is going to go by just ONE source, then here really is no point in Knowledge existing. IF someone could just go to the WWE's title history page, why bother coming here? Honestly, I don't remember this situation so I can't say that he was ever considered an official champion by WCW..but the logic that the WWE doesn't say so should not be the only reason to exclude it.

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of the practice coming into play. Another example is the time Flair had to, on a live show, do an angle setting up a match on a previously taped show where he and Sid were going to team, but by the time of the live show Sid had already left the company following his real life stab fight with Arn. I don't have sources, and it's really outside of the scope of the article anyway, but if anyone wants to know why there was a negative title reign, there you go.

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created their own WCW Tag Team Championship, but they did not recognize any reigns from the NWA because the NWA owned the copyrights to their title and they couldn't promote that title in their company. In the WCW archives, WCW only recognized the champions that held the new belt, although they reference to the past saying that the Minnesota Wrecking Crew were the first tag team champions in WCW, but not of this new belt.--

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MACW/JCP became the most prominent NWA territory, and their Tag Titles were seen as being "NWA Titles" when they were always MACW/JCP Titles. When Turner bought JCP, the belts became the WCW Titles. By the time WCW and the NWA severed all ties the WCW Tag Titles were well established as such, and all holders were recognized. As noted above, however, the pre-1980 reigns were "fuzzy at best".

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because its fiction. A lot of wrestlers had won championships (owen hart as WWE Champion, Batista defeating Taker in the chairs match), substituted champions (goldust lost the HHH'S european title, Alex Shelley defended the title along with James Storm) even sometimes, they won a torunament (kofi kingston won a tournament for the IC Title, but decision was revesed) --

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their own NWA Tag Titles from 1992 onwards, and even then only recognize "NWA Tag titles" from 1995 on! Does anyone have links to archived pages from when WCW.com was still running? If so, it will be very easy to disprove this "only recognized by NWA". Could whoever came up with this concept please explain why and how?

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Roma were stripped of the NWA titles they simply carried on as WCw Champions. It's like when Kurt Angle was both TNA World Champion, and IGF IWGP Third Belt Champion. he defended both belts on the same shows, but they were 2 separate titles. This article has no citations, references, sources for its outrageous claims.

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If you knew your history, Jim Crockett was the president of the NWA during this time. When we state "the NWA created" or "the NWA stripped", we are referring to the company itself (board of directors, territory leaders/promoters). So "the NWA" is equivalent to stating "Jim Crockett created". Its just

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I'm with Str1977 here. ESPECIALLY in situations with letting the WWE now decide the history of WCW titles. Some of the decisions they have made for heir "official" history is simply because of how bad WCW was getting in those days. (Sooner or later, WWE will probably drop David Arquette from the WCW

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She isn't included in the list used to source this article. This storyline made about as much sense as anything WCW had going on at the time. What happened was that The Giant and Scott Hall were champions. Scott Hall no-showed the event (go figure), and Scott Steiner took his place. Rick Steiner and

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The reason for "only from 1980" may have to do with PWI. In the PWI Almanac, they only begin certain titles' histories from 1980, as that is when PWI started keeping records/files. In fact, prior to 1980 most titles' histories are very controversial. Well, someone had the history all the way back to

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Now that we have this straight, why does someone keep screwing with the page and keep putting incorrect information claiming the NWA created the title, when in fact Jim Crockett Jr. himself created it in 1975. Oh, in case no one's keeping track, Crockett and not the NWA, created the following titles

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Exactly. I edited some of the stuff and have to hope no one screws with the page. Someone put that the NWA cretaed the titles for MACW. That never happened, Jim Crockett created the titles himself. The NWA stated that any NWA promotion can create any title they want except a world heavyweight title.

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That's nonsese. Wrestling titles are a promotion's property and it is up to a promotion to decidewho is champion (with whatever reasoning they wish) but it is not up to them to rewrite history and retroactively make or unmake champions. Especially regarding the titles of another company, they just

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This isn't comparable. ONE WORD:SOURCES. WWE.com says edge/jericho is a reign and Jericho/show is a different reign. No source, except a photo, say Waltman is a former WCW World Tag Team Champion, only says substitute, not champion. Simple, the company must to recognized as champion to be champion,

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The reign for Harlem Heat listed as starting on an October 7, 1996 episode of Nitro is incorrect. On that episode, they faced The Public Enemy in a title match but they were already the champions as on the broadcast they show footage of Harlem Heat winning the titles two days before on WCW Saturday

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Actually we do, it was just the wonky way WCW always used to tape shows far in advance yet run PPV's live. It wasn't uncommon to know the results of an upcoming PPV months in advance by paying attention to reports of their various tapings. This just happened to be one of the most egregious examples

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Again, Crockett created his own titles, just as Don Owen created his, and Fritz Von Erich created his. Make sense? Some, such as the Atlantic Coast titles (which became the Mid Atlantic titles) predate Crockett Jr. just as the Florida & Southern titles were in use long before Eddie Graham owned

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The thing is, the reigns are there under the WCW Tag Team Championship, but when the title was the NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship, which is the predecessor to this title, those reigns were only recognized by the NWA and MACW at that time. When MACW became WCW, and withdrew from the NWA, WCW

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Also, the WCW and NWA Tag belts were never truly unified. Rather the reigning WCW Tag Champions won the tournament to become the first NWA Tag Champions. For the next 15 months the two Tag Team Championships were defended together, but were never truly unified in the proper sense. When Anderson and

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Where did someone get the idea that the early reigns were/are only recognized by the NWA? That is, to put it simply, complete garbage. The WCW titles are the same thing as the MACW titles, because when Turner bought out Crockett, they merely continued under a different name. Also, the NWA only had

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The (now WWE) U.S. Title and the TV Title actually belonged to Mid Atlantic Wrestling (which became Jim Crockett Productions, which became WCW), so it would make sense that the Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship which while bearing the NWA name would morph into the WCW Tag Team Titles the same way

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Sean "Syxx" Waltman rightly should be credited with a reign as champion as during the Outsider's reign which lasted Feb-Oct 1997, Kevin Nash was injured and they did a storyline where the nWo invoked "Wolfpac Rules" (aka the Freebird Rule) and named Syxx as Scott Hall's new tag champion partner.

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It makes no sense for them to be mentioned twice. The disclaimer showing their 'different recognition' doesn't really explain anything as I have no idea what it means. Yes the championship was under control of a different company but the reign was continuous and was unaffected by the change, the

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in the following years: World Tag 1975 US Heavyweight 1975 Mid Atlantic Heavyweight 1973 Mid Atlantic TV 1973 (renamed NWA TV in 1977, renamed NWA World TV in 1985) US Tag 1986 (the Georgia Tag Team Title was renamed the National Tag Team Title in 1980 and renamed the US Tag Team Title in 1986)

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The NWA never owned the copyrights to the Tag Titles. You have made various claims, with no sourcing or links. Pretty much every NWA territory had their own Tag Team Championship. The MACW Tag Titles were just one of more than a dozen. What happened was that during the WWF's mid-80s expansion,

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I have gone ahead and removed the redundant team names, as well as a bunch of redundant wikilinks (though I did have quite a few snafus whilst doing so, if you check the page history). Anyway, all that's left in that regard is the redundant links to things like house show and Nitro in the last

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What this boils down to is that while perhaps the third party sources didn't give him credit for a reign, WWE (albeit maybe retroactively) credits Syxx as being "Freebirded" into the title. At the end of the day, the WCW Tag Team Championship is WWE property, and if they want to say Syxx was

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Question: Something looks out of place in the chronology: Feb. 18, 1991: Match in which The Fabulous Freebirds drop the belts to the Steiners is filmed. Feb. 24, 1991: Match in which Doom drops the belts to the Freebirds takes place on PPV. Mar. 9, 1991: Freebirds-Steiners match broadcast on

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The Mid Atlantic Tag Team Title and WCW World Tag Team Title are two different titles. The Mid Atlantic Tag Team Title existed from 1973-1985. The WCW World Tag Team Title used to be the Mid Atlantic version of the NWA World Tag Team Title that was created in 1975. See, two different titles!

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Since when is Knowledge just about taking info from one source and repeating it? I don't think there is any dispute that, as bad as it was, she DID win the Tag Team Championship. WWE..which had nothing to do with this originally, is simply retconning out an embarrassing storyline that they

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happen to have bought later. In our cases only WCW's (and that's WCW in 1997) word is the law. WWE calling Syxx as a champion might be an indicator that the was one at thte time but WWE doesn't dictate that. It's just one source that must be weighed against other sources.

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I believe this is the correct thing to do because the U.S. TV and Tag Team Titles were property of Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW and thus the lineages continued, while the NWA World Title was controlled by the NWA Board of Directors, so WCW had to create a new World Title.

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The list relies on a lot of questionable sources. I know WP:PW believes they are useable, but it has been shown in the past that they are not acceptable for FAs, and with the standards for FLs considerably higher, I'm pretty sure the same thing would stand for

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Syxx did wrestle in Kevin Nash/Scott Hall spot on several occasions. And on many occasions the three of these guys all possessed and held the belts up as champions. So yes Syxx was a tag champion while in the NWO/WCW. So the freebird rule could apply.

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Here's another one for ya. The NWA has never created individual member promotion's titles, that has always been up to the individual promoters. Since you want to throw out that Crockett was NWA President, he didn't become NWA President until 1980

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When did WCW "create new titles"? Can you give a link, or at least a date when this happened? Since WCW bought out Crocket/JCP/MACW lock stock and barrel, they acquired everything from that company, including their titles' histories.

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NWA Mid Atalntic Tag Team Title? There was an "NWA" Mid Atlantic Tag team Title also defended in JCP from 1973-1985 and is a different title then the WORLD Tag Team title being talked about here. Why not get it straight?

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Since this is a Featured List I want to give everyone a heads up on what I am about to do and why. First the why - to make sure the table format is the same for all pro wrestling championships. The changes are

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Also, WCW never "created new titles". They simply renamed the existing titles. Just like WWE's Intercontinental belt from 1979(when WWE was part of the NWA) and after 1983(when WWE withdrew) is the same thing.

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Crockett had two tag team titles, his "NWA" World Tag Team Title he (and not the NWA) created in 1975 and the secondary title, the Mid Atlantic Tag Team Title he created in 1973 and abandoned in mid 1985.

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This makes no sense to me. I know this info to be correct, since several other sites give the exact same info, but my question is why would WCW film the events out of airing order to begin with??

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Yes, I talked to Truco about the WCW and NWA Tag Titles not ever being unified, bur rather defended simultaniously. Now, according to this archived WCW Tag Team Championship page from WCW.com

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But only up to the 80's, so the ones prior to that are only recognized by MACW under the NWA, so my guess is to leave those in the NWA section and move the rest to the WCW/WWF section. No?

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Because it seems that your reply was written without you having taken a look at the link. I'm afraid that you are incorrect. It shows that WCW did in fact recognize reigns of MACW.

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Unlinking all locations, again something I've been asked to do in FLC reviews since reading about the city does not in any way add to the understanding of the article.

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names of the belts didn't even change. All this warrants is a note in the relevent column, just like Booker T's reign in the WCW Championship list and all parrallels.

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Where is your source that states there was another Mid Atlantic Tag Team Championship? I'm not denying your claim, but it needs verification by a reliable source.--

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There is a fault with the sorting of reign lengths by days when sorted in that order. Several of the longest reigns are sorted midway through the listing.

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1985, but there was no way of being 100% certain that the 1975-1980 history was completely accurate, so they began where there absolute certainty...1980.

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It's looking very good so far, it's nice to see the lead larger than a couple of sentences. After a quickie review I have a few suggestions for the list:

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So hopefully these changes all make sense to everyone, if not don't just revert it all, let's figure out what you're not on board with.

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Table is sortable, so all names should be linked since we don't know which one is going to be first if you change the sort order

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he wasn't champion. Every single source, except a photo, say he wasn't champion (wwe, cagematch, owow, solie, canoe) --

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The Wrestling-Titles.com source is used over 30 times, perhaps it would be easier to switch it to a general reference.

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Should we take another look at this? "Rick Steiner & Judy Bagwell, WCW Tag Team Champions, Oct. 25, 1998" <

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This is comparable to Chris Jericho replacing Edge with The Big Show during thier WWE Unified Tag Team title run.

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The U.S., TV, And Tag Team Titles were never controlled by the NWA, they were controlled by Mid-Atlantic/JCP/WCW.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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The NWA just gave their blessings to put the NWA name on the Titles, but they had no say in how they were used.

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So what you're saying is that the Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Titles and the WCW Tag Team Titles are one in the same.

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WWE's recent piece about the Freebird Rule, it states that Nash, Hall, and Syxx defended the titles as a trio

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Here's another source from WWE saying that the Wolfpac used the Freebird Rule to defend the Tag Team titles

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So this would indicate WWE recognizes the entire history of the belt, not just from a certain point.

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So all Mid-Atlantic Champions should now retroactively given credit as being WCW Tag team Champions.

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another way of stating it, either is correct, but neutrally its best to state it as "the NWA".--

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also refers to Jim Crockett, Jr., just not directly. It would be like instead of saying

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On WWE.com in the HOF section, Ric Flair's bio lists him as a WCW Tag Team Champion.

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I know for a fact that Judy Bagwell was at one point WCW Tag Champ...where is she?

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Kind of like how the NWA Eastern Championship became the ECW World Title.

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