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Hogan's first match of his career was against the Iron Sheik. Better change Hogan's article to match this. The WWF website in 1998 stated in a typo that Astin was heavyweight Champ, so we better give Sean Astin a reign. Also, Vince McMahon (the creator/owner you mention) said in a 2002 interview that he counted Bret Hart as a three time WWF champ for some reason or another, so we better change that one.... and we won't even get into the way the WWF rewrote history in the 80's. Of course, we're talking about a fictional sport here, so whatever anyone wants to do. It's not worth putting too much thought into.
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change. Flair can be anything from 16 to 20 time champion, it all depends on how you see his titles. the NWA never acknowledged certain title changes, and so his reigns are simply those recognised by the NWA. It has nothing to do with being unbiased, but everything to do with who owns the intellectual property rights, and no-one but the company in question does for any championship. The times that
Backlund 'lost' the belt are covered in the side box, and the fact that the WWE does not recognise these and that Backlund's championship is interrupted. Therefore he is a single title holder as of 1984.
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Backlund, but this idea that the WWE has authority over their history is laughable, and any true WWE fan knows that. Heck, Vince knows it. (Or he really did believe Diesel was the greatest WWF champion of all time, as he said on Raw during his reign. That's quite a thing to say for the worst drawing champion ever.) But like I said before, it's just silly to argue about the history of a ficticious sport.
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read extensively, any newspaper article. Every other time a title moves brands, it is addressed (Edge's 2008 promo about Raw not having any titles; commentators and articles during a Draft) but nothing was said this time because it didn't move to SmackDown, nor did it move back to Raw. It was
WrestleMania season, brand lines were blurred and Batista had the backing of the evil Mr McMahon to circumvent the rules.
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I'm sure you'll prevail. But deleting my comments from a Talk page is just rude. What possible rationale could you have for saying that I don't have the right to make my case to the wider editors of
Knowledge?? Seriously, our disagreement is about me wanting to add photos to a list - it's not like I'm denying the Holocaust or something. Why are you being so insistent on snuffing out my opinion?
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another changes. I think PWTorch, WON and PWI would be acceptable sources for an FL. Also, does anybody think that the events should be readded in the notes section? Usually, FL voters ask that every section in a chart have something in it and I was thinking that adding what event the change ocurred at would be a good and easily sourceable way to fill up space. --
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You're right, because then their participation would have been significant. But since Orton pinned Triple H, it doesn't really matter. If we note that, then we would have to add that Hogan interfered in Savage's first title win, Hogan pulled Sid out of the ring to allow Flair to win in 1992, Yokozuna
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The intellectual property rights of how many championships are held by ppl belong to the WWE. No-one else. The unofficial changes are covered. What would be wrong is to ignore what the owner states. Flair is recognised as holding different reigns by different organisations, it crosses 3 companies, so
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I didn't remove all, just non-notable ones (it doesn't need to be noted that they won it at a certain event). Hal, Flair is a 22 time world champ and that is what we reckonize him. Hogan had those two title reigns the entire time, whether AWA reckonized them or not. Backlund is a 4 time WWE champ, so
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Undertaker & Stone Cold interfering. The one where he defeated Hart to win the title from him, was on RAW the night after IYH:Final
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Wait, does this mean WWE has authority over their history? Because we have to change a lot of articles then. According to WWE, Bret Hart was the first wrestler to hold the IC, heavyweight, and tag titles. (WWF Magazine, Dec 1992), so we have to clean up the Pedro
Morales article. WWE has also stated
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I can appreciate that we have an honest disagreement about whether or not to include pictures in the list of WWE champions. But deleting my comments about this topic - why would you do that? Seriously, let the
Knowledge community as a whole hear and judge. If my opinions are so inferior to yours,
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Batista's second reign did not see the ownership of the WWE Belt be given to the SmackDown brand, for one thing
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Reigns 82, 83, and 84 doesn't make since. I remember when John Cena had to give up his WWE Championsip due to an injury because he would be out of auction six months to a year. Mr. McMahon awarded the title to Randy Orton at No Mercy (2007). Triple H won the WWE Championsip from Randy Orton in a
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That's not true, I explained my side on your talk page. It's unnecessary info. They had no chance of winning the title and thus they should not be listed. It's the same reason why we don't (usually) list interference. You are clearly the one with the ownership issues. I'm simply trying to do what I
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The 'unofficial' title reigns do not change the amount of times B Backlund held the belt, that's why they are 'unoffcial'. Until the day the creator/owner of the WWE (the WWE themselves) decide BB is a 3 or 4 time champ, he stays as 2 time. The story behind the unofficial changes is covered next to
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Because he was appearing on Raw for a protracted period despite being a SmackDown superstar. Find me somewhere that says that the WWE Championship that never appeared on SmackDown and when was defended had the Raw graphic (with the buildings and red colour as opposed to the SmackDown DNA helix and
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I meant explain it here. After you left the message on my page you reverted the info 2 more times after. I didn't care until you decided to just keep reverting to get things your way and I only said it wasn't a big deal to me. I was justified on the template thing since that was original research.
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Scorpion thinks he controls the content of the article and chose to just keep reverting rather than explaining here why he thinks it shouldn't go it. See the edit history, basically
Scorpion keeps removing the other people involved in the match at Backlash despite the fact that we always list the
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I am currently preparing the list for a run at FL status, and that means reformatting it so that it matches WWE.com's descriptions. I was wondering if anyone had a source for some of the stuff that wouldn't be at WWE.com - mainly Inoki's unofficial reign as well as some of the taped one day/aired
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For one that's not what the current listing says and two
Batista is on the SmackDown roster, hence he was listed on the SmackDown roster as champ while the WWE Title is Raw property hence it being listed on the Raw roster. Whenever a title changes ownership, it is explicitly stated. It never was
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Minor errors?! Bwahahahaha... WWF/WWE reinventing their history every four years based on politics and who presently needs a push are minor errors? Are you Vince McMahon? Come off it. WWE is the most unreliable source for history in the history of the business. I'm not saying how many reigns we
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wrestlers in matches like this. Feel free to put the info back in since it is relevant. Scorpion, rather than get yourself blocked by reverting it again, discuss your opinion here and try and get a consensus on wanting the table to be incomplete.
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wwe.com has the annoucement of the vacacy of the title up but if you go to totile history and click the last istance of cenas name it still says spet 17 2006- nothing but yes i did see vince announce the vacany last night. what should we do?
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Thanks for readding those. After I deleting them, I realized that they were important. However, I did clear out some other pointless notes, like how Cena hit an FU through two tables in the TLC match. We need to watch for that stuff.
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the reign, but to have the numbers tally with the unofficial record would be to imply that BB is a 3 or 4 time champion, which he is not, because WWE say he is not, and only they, not anyone else has the right to allocate reigns.
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Why not just have one source for the official title changes, and make it the WWE's title page. That way the info is there with a source without having 81 different sources that basically go to the same page. Just link here:
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Is he the only superstar to win the title, and then lose it, and regain it in one night? he lost it to triple h first then triple h vs umaga triple h won then randy orton beat triple h later that night.
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I'm done arguing this because it won't change. WWE.com had him listed on both because he was challenged by a Raw superstar and he took it from a Raw superstar but was part of SmackDown. –
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it says the rock is the current champion and won it june 16 on raw. it says that hes in his 8th reign and it doesnt mention triple h's 7th reign in the table someone please change it
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references to "Federation" from the company; on the website, on TV, etc. I'll reword it to say "..and becomes simply World Wrestling Entertainment" to avoid ambiguity. --
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that issue is not as clear here. Hogan is an AWA champ now, but wasn't 5 years ago. Fans are not seated in a position to gainsay the owners of said championships.
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I can't find any source to support that. For example, wrestling-titles.com lists Antonio Inokis (legit) title win and even DiBiase (non-legit) win.
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