364:, where you have started sections, no one there has said that these pages are BLP problems. You are the only one who thinks so. if the existence of those pages is not a BLP issue, then noting the same information with the same sourcing on this page is not a BLP issue. I would suggest starting a specific discussion either on WT:FILM or on the BLP talk page to ask if the Razzie pages are BLP problems and the awards being given to people named on those pages need any further independent citations. You might want to start such a discussion. I will be offline now until tomorrow, so I might start the discussions then. But I bet if you ask if those Razzie pages are BLP problems the overwhelming majority of editors will say they are not.
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Razzies are reported on every year by every major news outlet. Just googling "adam sandler razzie" gives results showing articles in Variety, USA Today, Forbes, The Hollywood Reporter, CBC, ABC, The Guardian, BBC, The National Post (Canada), MTV, SFGate, The Globe and Mail, Reuters, The Washington Post, and many many many more. So even with an unreasonably high demand of sourcing, a ton of articles can be found in reliable sources reporting these awards.
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