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this list only for "contributing the world of engineering"? 911 and civil engineering, this is not an accident - there is a link between it. Every civil engineer knows how long a fire can burn before a building collapse - but I was not prepared and shocked that someone used this knowledge against the people in that dimension. There is a need for more selfcritical view about critical infrastructure. His name on this list would stress this. Sorry to haven't wrote this explaination directly.
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I had put him on the list, because I think for understanding the tradgedy of 911 it makes sence to know bin ladens profession and it would remind that every knowledge is possible to use for good and bad thinks. The list is not for good guys only, bad people should be listed as well. Why should be
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I would keep him in the list. He completed his civil engineering degree, but his life took a different direction (as it did for several others also listed who became better known in other unrelated fields - see previous discussion re Osama Bin Laden, for example). Also the list criteria includes
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He should be in the list as he IS a civil engineer. But should he be under 'B' or 'L'? AFAIK 'bin/ben' means 'son of' and 'Laden' could be considered as his last name. Anyway.... a similar argument holds for 'Curtis LeMay' and 'William LeMessurier' (should be under 'M'), 'Ferdinand de
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