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English. So, if you want to understand what it says, I suggest you read them in the original language. The first part of CX72 is relatively straightforward, but the second part can be interpreted in many ways. For the third line (resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois), "resusciter" can mean resurrect or reunite, or re-form. "grand" can be great or large. "Roy" can be a king or a kingdom. Angolmois can be an anagram of "the mongols", or can refer to the anglo-saxons, or some other place. For the next line (Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur), "avant apres" literally means "before after", and can be interpreted as "before and after" or "around that time". "Mars" can be the month of march, the planet Mars or refer to the state of war. Also "avant apres Mars" can mean "before what follows March", in other words "during the month of mars". "Regner" most likely means "to reign". "par bon heur" can mean "from good luck", or "with happiness", or perhaps some other obscure meaning. The whole thing could mean that Mars will be visible during that time. There are many ways to interpret these prophecies. Many have tried.
1874:. It's not a perfect system, but a perfect system is not possible. By stating 'I'm not the person you have to convince in order to get your way' I was trying to simply clarify that this isn't just a decision between you and me. You're the person trying to make the change and at present I'm the only person explaining why it isn't appropriate. Most people don't want to put the time in to explain things to IP editors who feel strongly about a certain issue but don't appear to be here to help us build an encyclopedia by working on a variety of topics in different areas. I'm sorry you got ignored, you shouldn't have been, but that's probably why you were. In any case, more people will engage and put in their two-cents if they see there is a concerted effort to make the change. I may be wrong, but I believe established editors who know very well that content should not be included on Knowledge (XXG) simply because it exists will be very unlikely to agree with your reasoning.
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completely end on the day of judgement. Simply setting a deadline by when climate changes must be made before the ongoing impacts of global warming are irreversible is not the same as predicting a specific day or year when God destroys the planet. And answering a question and mentioning the world "ending" without clarifying further is not the same as making a clear, dedicated prediction, which is the requirement for inclusion here as far as I'm concerned. If the politician writes a detailed article clarifying that she thinks the world or humanity will completely end on a specific day or year, and that she isn't simply echoing the general sentiment of the IPCC, I will absolutely support including her 'prediction'. But until that happens, I will not.
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Eurasian dream which is similar to Mongol Empire then War is coming which mean a major war between Russia and it's allies, China, Korea and maybe (not sure) Iran in which Putin will be the greater victorious Israel will replace USA's support with Russia' support but maybe Islamic Republic of Iran will not fall but it will not achive it's great goal (the destruction of Israel) however in this century there will be a major role of Iran in another major war and this is according to Nostaradamus himself so Islamic republic 60% will not fall in near future.
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whether it should be included, and I don't think continuing to discuss the issue at this length will help either of us. My opinion towards consensus is that a 'prediction' based solely on her answering a question without further clarification is inappropriate and inconsistent with what the list should include.
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Nobody is bullying you. I understand it can be disheartening when you put effort into something and then you don't get your way, but the fact remains I clearly explained what you needed to do if you wanted to talk about changing the prediction. You needed to provide a reliable source. But you ignored
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We will have to disagree about the quote. Clearly, the politician thinks climate change is real and will have a catastrophic impact on the world. But I really I think you're taking things a bit too literally if you believe she genuinely thinks planet Earth will cease to exist or that humanity will be
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Before proceeding further, I would like to put the red herring of the IPCC report to bed. Clearly the theological predictions of doom haven't been endorsed by the Pope or other theological authorities. It seems inconsistent to offer this objection. We have not cited the UN Climate authorities in this
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Although I am not as well versed in the lawfare of this site, I am aware that it is regarded as a "public encyclopedia". At the risk of sounding tautological, the site is meant to be edited by the public. I appreciate your offer of, " I'm not the person you have to convince in order to get your way".
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I'd encourage you or anyone else to analyse this
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Apocalyse but about Vladimir Putin himself and it's a true prophecy not a false one Nostaradamus said that in 7th month year 1999 a great king of terror will come from sky according to Julian calendar which was used by prophet's time in july 1999 Vladimir Putin became prime
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For your assertion that it is a throw-away phrase used in passing, I think we will also have to disagree. This is common refrain which has been deployed repeatedly by the climate doom community. As I mentioned above, I found the reliable source within minutes of searching. It is so common that users
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This 'prediction' was put in the '21st century' section. If it helps you understand why someone else removed the prediction, let's look at the other three predictions in there, which clearly meet the criteria for this list. So you've got a scientist who wrote an entire academic paper on a very clear
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There is no body in 2024 16th May accept this opinion but future will prove it, when everybody will know that every propagenda which created by studiers of these prophecies were fake let the future prove it and let us see what will happen next, but please for everybody respect each other's opinions
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I'll avoid presuming intent, but it isn't easy to understand the exclusion from a good faith perspective. Given the depth of rationalization for exclusion and the prolific nature of climate doom claims, one would expect that an unbiased editor of this "public encyclopaedia" could find an acceptable
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By contrast, we then have a short quote said in passing by a politician in response to a question, that was then editorialised for news headlines. The full quote, not just the cherry-picked part added above, is "Millennials and people, you know, Gen Z and all these folks that will come after us are
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Should we be attempting to psychoanalyze the intent of all of the other doomsayers on this page? Perhaps they also did not truly believe in doom, but were making these claims with ulterior motives. AOC's true intentions are besides the point. She has made the claim. The claim is deployed constantly
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Because climate change predictions don't typically set a specific date. This is a 'List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events'. Nobody expects climate change to destroy the planet on a specific date, or even a specific year. If climate change kills the planet it will happen slowly over a period
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original copies and that I know nothing about them, I have a pdf copy of old french copy from 16th century from google books and the third point, the prophecies are only written in old French with some old Greek and Latin names from pagan era that are only a sympols and do nothing with prophecies.
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Ok you said that it's when Mars appears then when did Mars disappeared even when it's in low shining degree we couldn't say it has been disappeared, did you know that in 2020 Mars was at it's highest degree of shining this is my first point and the second one who told you that I didn't studied the
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there's nothing to discuss here. However, even with reliable sources this may still not be notable enough. This is not a list of everyone who has made a prediction that has managed to get media coverage. This is a list of predictions that were made by notable people or groups, or predictions which
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I've spent much a couple hours today trying to explain things, which is much more time than I planned to spend on
Knowledge (XXG) today. Don't take this personally, but I don't intend to engage much further as I think we have an impasse in terms of how we believe we should interpret the source and
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You have to be careful when reading obscure prophecies from
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I don't have a problem with climate change predictions being added to the list. However, in order for them to be added to the list, they would need to make a detailed prediction that the world or humanity will completely cease to exist, in the same way that religious people believe the world will
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So in 9th August 1999 in western calendar He became a prime minster but in Julian calendar which was been used during
Nostaradamus time and is the calendar of present day Russia this is the end of July of 1999 and for Iran you can see century 5 verse 27, century 3 verse 64, cetury 6 verse 80 and
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For the accusation of "cherry picking" I am happy to engage on this. The quote is clear. The speaker is AOC. "...and we're like, The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change...". "We", could refer to the wider climate change movement or millennials. AOC is a member of
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Ok Iam sorry about this but this is my explaination and Iam the first one to explain it however this is not a crime at all so this is a talk section of this article and this is my opinion so respect it and I don't want you to change the article but you can delete only the 1999 july date in the
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I noticed an error in the article regarding the date of post-apocalyptic prophecies. The date "2021" has a reference to "F. Kenton
Beshore" with a link to "Mariner's Church" in Irvine, CA. However, I'd like to clarify that "F. Kenton Beshore" is not formally affiliated with Mariner's Church.
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The sources and quote provided back in March absolutely do not meet the criteria. Accordingly, someone else has already reverted them being added to the article. It's clearly not a dedicated prediction, its a quote made in passing, which as the
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Decades and tried again. Declaring that the world is going to end during your lifetime is a rookie mistake, but it's not
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From my limited knowledge of Knowledge (XXG), I'm not sure this is correct? I am aware that many pages on this site have become fiefdoms of specific editors. Not sure this is in keeping with the "public encyclopaedia" mission. I would appreciate clarification on this point.
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article but without adding anything or you can leave me alone with my opinion and don't bully me atleast and don't change anything in the article but if you deleted my opinion or bullyed it you will make me sure that this web don't respect freedom or private opinion.
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I appreciate you taking the time to offer your views. I am not a Wikipedian for reasons which should be self-apparent. When the public reacts with incredulity at the lack of climate doom predictions here, it may be worth considering from an outside
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Please do not assume I do not appreciate your efforts to engage here. Even if we disagree about the rationalizations given, I do appreciate your efforts. This is much more than has been afforded before my attempted edit. Thank you again.
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