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then sets about thinking up all the times that a planet has ever been destroyed in the entire history of speculative fiction". In addition, several of Keeps in the previous discussion said "but expand and source" or similar, in the months since it has not notably improved, not following the rules of
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Ah, right, that would be the right one then, sorry, as I said, I've never deleted an article and to be honest I've gotten to bit rusty on the rules and everything here, but yes I think this should be deleted. No reliable source I've ever heard of groups all methods from various science fiction and
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I thought the Star Wars part of this list was falling behind, so I updated it using the wookieepedia articles for the respective superweapons. I don't know if this is the right thing to do, but wookieepedia far surpasses wikipedia in terms of SW articles. I tried to put in only weapons capable of
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Alright, I set it up as a candidate for deletion, following policy, my first time so it might not look quite as clean as others. Reasons, well in the words of the last person to nominate it for this, "Total original research, from premise to execution. Takes a contrived term ("Planet killer") and
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Sounds like a plan. I added a bunch of redirect pages for some of the more "likely" names (IMHO). Check the "what links here" page for the article for a full list. If anyone know of more "synonymes" for "planet killer" that people would be likely to search for pleace add those too. I merely added
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per the nominator's rationale. The list is pretty broad and includes a number of "doomsday devices" that aren't specifically deployed against planets — like those meant to destroy stars (e.g., the Tox Uthat) or even the entire universe (e.g., Hactar's bomb). The proposed title more accurately
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Submitted again to AFD. "Planet Killer" is, by itself, a pretty vague term. Its only meaning is "that which kills a planet". Also, at present anyway, none are known to actually exist. Naturally, therefore, the article contains no useful information about them. It just boils down to the basic
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