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Since much (but not all) of the information in this article can be found at oscars.org, that site should be listed as a source or reference or external link. I am not very good with formatting sources, references, and external links. So, if anyone would like to add oscars.org under the appropriate
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I am not sure if any one of these three suggestions is perfect, but perhaps they can be tweaked. First, is a nomination actually "presented" or is there a better verb? Second, these would all seem to be false names (I think?) ... but are they also fictitious names or pseudonyms? These are my two
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until a better name emerges. Per nom. Have been thinking about this for several minutes, and re-read the list twice, still can't come up with anything more accurate.
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sounds wrong to me. Sounds like the person gave a false name to a police officer. I can't see anything technically wrong with it, though.
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