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I have produced line diagrams for each of these. Would it be worth starting articals on them, and even uploading the diagram? If so let me know so I can create an account. Also, where would such a topic go, since its not quite 'closed underground stations', yet I can't see a topic which covers it.
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I think most of it is left as open space and periodically inspected for safety. There would be no reason to fill it in as the tunnels are built to last and are not going to collapse any more than at an active station. If you check out the individual articles for the stations you will see that some of
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It was fine. The bloke (London
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Well; a planned closure of nearly two years is a bit different from a weekend engineering project. Indeed the way T5 currently seems to be marginalising T4, and considering the difficulties LU will meet in operating the proposed split service, I do wonder if this temporary closure may not turn out a
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Can somebody explain what this section is all about?. As I learnt to my cost, the
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Firstly, your assumption that 'tube' is 1960s slang seems to be unfounded. The TFL website has an example of it being used decades before that. Secondly, fine. We have had people try and claim that just because stations aren't underground they can't possibly be tube stations - which did seem to be
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In the "current condition" column, many stations are listed as "demolished". That is fine for surface stations, where it unambiguously means that neither the station building nor the platforms survive. But an underground station involves an underground space where the platforms were, and the word
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was taken up and covered over in the platform tunnel, and the northbound running tunnel was closed for a short distance to the west of the station (the part to the east remains in use as the "Euston Loop"). No significant part of the station closed, though one edge of the old island platform ceased
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Muswell Hill was a surface station, was open for over eighty years, and was abandoned for economic and public policy reasons. The question is, was there an underground station in that area which was abandoned during construction, and never opened, because of the presence of a plague
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to indicate possible re-opening. Another judgement call then; should it be moved to the temporarily closed section or even removed from the article altogether. After all, there isn't any fundamental difference between a 20 month temporary closure with a uncertain future and a 73 year temporary
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Having read the excellent book by Antony Badsey-Ellis about
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Well, if they aren't they shouldn't even be on that list at all, should they then??? Also the article about
Quainton tube station claims it was a London Underground station if only for a little while. You still haven't explained whether you want to move Watford yet, either.
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less specialized audience. When they put up the webcast in their archive we should probably link it from the article. The
College is great btw and has at least one more lecture on a subterranean London topic coming up. Or going down rather. It was PACKED btw.
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then please note that there is a live webcast and then it gets archived on their site: I don't know what the delay is for this but there is an archive with plenty of old stuff in. Oh and using AOL Instant Messenger you can send in questions apparently.
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what you were arguing. If you are saying that these aren't tube stations because they were never integrated with the rest of the tube network, fine. I just don't want to see stations operated by LUL today move to blah blah railway station.
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bit more permanent. Obviously there is always going to be a judgement call on when something is really closed, rather than just suspended, but right now my judgement is that H-T4 really is closed, so I'd prefer to leave it the way it is.
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Muswell Hill station, to be somewhere to the north of the lines, perhaps on the Piccadilly Line. The superstitious diggers came across a deep pit filled with the remains of plague victims; they would not continue digging the station
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closed." (my bold) so I'd rather remove T4 from the page entirely. Otherwise you might as well edit the list every Saturday night to remove those stations that aren't open on a Sunday, etc. (yes, silly, but you get my point ...)
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