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FAGs was transposed onto the boys who exhibited similar tendencies and who also liked the company of other boys of sexual nature. The origin of the word "Lesbian," goes back to the time of the Greek Civilization. A Greek king had once ordered some women to be shipped to the Island of "Lesbos" in the Adriatic Sea where these women were to live for the rest of their lives. Because there weren't any men to satisfy their sexual needs, the women explored and learned to satisfy each other's sexual libido by their only means of loving one another. Based on and due to this Island's name of "Lesbos," the word "Lesbian" came into existence from more then 2000 Thousand years ago, though its use is only recent. The Greeks did enjoy same sex interactions for Millenia and it was accepted as a part of natural human sexual behvior.

749:- The Gay Nineties: Billie Joe Armstrong from Green Day should be removed from this page for the same reason Cobain was. Yes, there is an(other) Advocate article from the '90s referenced, but the quotes from that article stating Armstrong had an "ex-girlfriend who was bisexual" and a gay uncle who "has full-blown AIDS now" are extremely weak evidence of Armstrong's own bisexuality. Like Cobain, this is more acceptance of homosexuality than any kind of personal admission of homosexuality or bisexuality. Pretty much everybody famous in the '90s gave a tease interview to the Advocate, in an attempt to crossover alternative music with alternative lifestyles in hopes of finding an alternative to a job, which worked out pretty well for Armstrong and (the estate of) Cobain. 979: 2728: 1964:"self-published" by your definition. 3) You deleted all entries living or dead, whether the source cited further sources or not. 4) Reliability is in the eye of the beholder - it isn't something out there. 5) I think the sources are well within guidelines - you want to impose your view and pretend everyone else is objectively wrong. 6) Other people on this and other sites are acting in good faith - trying accepting it. Stop being terrified that a 'gay smear' will slip through the net - these things sort themselves out in due course. 8) Babies and bathwater 2171:

homosexuality doesn't really matter all that much, does it? As for whether the list has more information than a category, eh, that's debatable. You may have allowed for columns which give very basic information, but the basic operation of the thing is the same as a category: you get the real information by clicking on the name of the person. I guess what I'm asking, since I don't see it, is why you think a simple list of famous people with alternative sexualities passes the notability threshhold?

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list of "Gay politicians", because that list would be narrow, and you could give some background material about the struggles faced by politicians who were gay. But this just seems so wide open that it imparts no useful information. The mitigating criterion here is "fame", which is surely one of the least NPOV criteria one could imagine.

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The first sentence seems to merely suggest she finds lesbians more sexy than gay men, and the second merely that she experiments with her sexuality. I personally don't think that means she is saying she is bisexual (for one thing, that sounds like a set sexuality, which 'experimenting' doesn't support). But what do others think?

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Yes, of course, a person is gay if he says he's gay, even if he's a virgin. CA hasn't said she's gay. She didn't say she'd ever had sex with a woman. She didn't say she ever wanted to. She didn't say she ever wanted to make out with a woman. No news source has ever said she is bisexual or gay (so far

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As I recall, the basis of the Afd was that it was an indiscriminate list, nothing to do with sourcing. I can't see anything wrong with simply quoting Andrej's sources if I cannot quote his site directly. It's akin to assuming good faith of someone who adds a book to any article. But whatever happens,

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An anonymous editor seems to want Kemal listed here. Kemal's WP article says nothing to support inclusion (and I'm pretty sure, frankly, that editors there would not keep any such assertion for more than a minute). The initial citation was one user review of a book on Amazon.com. The anon IP found

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by DavidShankbone. His justification appears to be that "completely heterosexual" women don't talk about certain subjects. That is patently original research, and is not allowed to source something so personal about a living person. And is there even such a thing as "completely heterosexual" anyway?

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is... well, a borderline reputable source. But the citation located isn't about Kemal at all. It's an article on Alexander that includes one passing clause insinuating Kemal was gay or bisexual. This "citation" barely ascends to the level of gossip, just like the others. Each failed attempt at a

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I came across my findings while searching for origins of names and words. These facts are verifiable through and with any Etymological Dictinary of Modern English. I hope that you would find my Data informative and, I also hope that it will give the reader a better understanding of the words' usage

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entry provides no evidence whatsoever that she was bisexual or lesbian. It's pure speculation based on a friendship with a woman who happened to be lesbian (Elisabeth "Bessie" Marbury). Their friendship isn't even described as being especially emotionally intimate. The source itself states, "Though

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Of course Myspace is not reliable... for information by people on other people. The myspace link quoted was Ant's personal myspace, on which he identifies as bisexual. A person's space, in my view, counts a self-published source and is therefore acceptable when referring to biographical facts (such

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I'll add the period or "full stop" (silly Brits and their fancy phrases! :-)) to the profession. I agree with you on the images. After I created the example I realized just how silly it looks. I'll look through some other lists and see what they do. Between the categories may work. I will certainly

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was gay or bisexual. We have all agreed that in order to be included on this list, there has to either be an admission by the person him/herself or a preponderence of evidence supported by most historians. So, I am in agreement that Atatürk should not be included. If the person intent on adding him

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The origin of the word "Fag," goes back to the English Boarding Schools' era. There, the weakest and most defensless boys were sent out to purchase Cigerattes, AKA "Fags" for the stronger boys. Hence, the name "FAGs" stuck to the boys who seemed weak and defensless; Later, the word for Cigerattes,

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to be readded. Somebody probably should coordinate a project to crossreference the list against the various LGBT people categories to determine the necessary additions and deletions and sourcing changes. By all means, locate alternate sources for names that are currently sourced to Koymasky, but I

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Hey hey! What are people's thoughts? Does that source fully support the claim that she is bisexual? Does her saying "Two women are way sexier than two men in bed. We have a better feel for our bodies.” She went on to add, “I love experimenting with my sexuality." " mean she identifies as bisexual?

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All good points. But I still wonder whether the sexuality of a person isn't "a trivial thing", not of "documentable interest to anybody outside of a particular fandom". Well, in this case not quite "fandom" but "interest group". I mean, outside of a contextual point, the mere fact of someone's

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I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to diminish the work of the sponsoring project. I'm just trying to frame this list's relevancy in the light of debates I've seen about other lists, some of which seemed to me a good deal more focused than this one. Indeed, I could see the benefit of a

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am keeping track of this list and will readd them I have found proper sources (as I have added properly sourced entries to other lists). But the "they are openly gay" is a dangerous road to go down- if they are so open reliable sources should be easy to find. Those adding to the list will look to

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Whether Baltimora should be mentioned in this G/L/B list... Technically: no. Until a better reference shows up. But if he's kept with the "gregsradio" reference in this list, and without the probably invented qualifier "bisexual", but maybe better with the qualifier "probably", I wouldn't oppose.

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That reference is to an interview about his travels and nowhere in it does it even talk about his sexual orientation. Just because you name your account the same as the person does not mean we are going to take your word for it. Please provide an actual reliable source that backs up your claim.

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Someone should really check all the references. Many do not support the contention that the people were gay or bisexual. Christina Aguilera, as I've argued above, shouldn't be on this list -- no source lists her as having had sex with a woman or as identifying as gay or bisexual. Jane Adams also

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WJBScribe: I think your are missing a few points. 1) You are the only one who thinks they are weak. It was a concession to you, a generous attempt to adapt to your ideas despite what others think (you seem to be a minority). The citation have been there for years without a problem 2) Fox news is

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Additionally, a later article on Planetout says "portrayals of lesbian and gay film characters by non-gays Joey Lauren Adams ("Chasing Amy")". Hmm. The character in the film ids as a lesbian, but the plot could easily argue for bi. But Planetout fails to identify an out bi as bi in an article? I

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a source that backs it up, as long as that source is reliable. It includes the line "I find it hornier looking at women then men.", which is much closer to an assertion of bisexuality. The previous source just said she thought that two women in bed were sexier than two men, which just looks like

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Several biographers of Ataturk, including the Turkish author Irfan Orga (Orga, İrfan and Margarete Orga, Atatürk (London: Michael Joseph, 1962)) have written about Ataturk's alleged bisexuality. Needles to say, any discussion of Kemal's sexuality is not only taboo, but also punishable by law, in

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support breaking this list down into separate lists for LGBT writers, LGBT artists, etc., and/or into lists by country, but that's a big job that would take a coordinated effort. In the meantime, however, "listcruft" means "lists of trivial things that aren't of documentable interest to anybody

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a reliable source. Do we even know its his personal profile and not one put up by a fan? A lot of celebs that supposedly have Myspace profiles have been really surprised when they've been shown them. Any interview I've seen with him on telly he's described himself as straight. I don't think he

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All of the requirements for Featured List are met except for images. With such a large list, certainly we don't need images of everyone, but might I suggest pulling out the most well-known of these people, plus trying to get an image per letter? I would place the images in the name field like

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It's a little disingenous to say that if a person says she likes to make out with women, would have sex with a woman, and enjoys "experimenting with her sexuality" that she isn't bisexual. If anyone makes those statements, but than follows it up with "I'm heterosexual" (which she also hasn't

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Is that much better- do we know much about this source? Unless you have a copy we are going to have to take the word of a third party that they are in this source. And we won't know if the "Who's Who" is more equivocal that the reporting of it... Also isn't a "who's who" a tertiary source?

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I don't think she should be on the list. The source does not say she is bisexual. I know of no sources that say (a) she has sex with woman, or (b) she defines herself as bisexual. Many straight women kiss other women at times - by that standard every woman in France should be listed. –

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I dispute James Dean's inclusion on this list since the "evidence" of his alleged bisexuality is almost entirely hearsay and conjecture. I also question the inclusion of Billie Joe Armstrong; just because he said he believes everyone is born bisexual does not mean he himself is

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has more evidence, then I think he could possibly be added to the Disputed section of this page - if that even is a good idea (the Disputed page). I'm in agreemnet with you - not an add by any means. There is simply not historic consensus about his alleged homosexuality.

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I have removed Kurt Cobain from the list. Although whoever listed him did provide a reference, the reference did not confirm any evidence of avowed homo/bisexuality. The reference (the Advocate) asked Cobain if he ever thought he may be gay. Cobain's response (in part):

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shouldn't be on the list -- the source mentions a long-term, close friendship with a woman, but there is no indication that they were sexually active, and they certainly did not identify as gay or bisexual. I suspect many of the people on this list don't belong here. –

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strongly applies in this instance. Since such a category already exists, I think this list isn't just kinda krufty, it's also redundant. Why is having a list better than just having a naturally-accumulating category? Is being gay, lesbian or bisexual, well,

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does it. If you want to add a full stop to every profession, please feel free, as I have no idea whether that's in the MOS or not. "Unknown sexuality" wa splaced there because it's very obvious they were not straight, but what they were is confused, for example

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I would be delighted to see this become a Featured List, but I wanted to wait until we've added everyone from the LGBT categories, to make it nice and comprehensive. :) I'd put this off for a long time, but I'll start trying to get on top of it again.

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I referenced a hundred people with it? *sigh* Well, we can just use the quoted source for most of them. There's going to be a lot of "Aldrich R. & Wotherspoon G., Who's Who in Contemporary Gay and Lesbian History, Routledge, London, 2001" though.

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WJBScribe - You should mark them as 'weak' if that is your opinion. It isn't mine and I resent your interposing your views on the lists wholesale. You should restore them and spend some time seeking other sources. You do no one any service as it is.

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I identify as "straight" but I don't think that anyone is "100% hetero", and in women, that seems to be even more so the case. But that is just my opinion, and is irrelevant to whether or not there are sources that can support this listing. -

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The notion that Jane Addams was a lesbian in the modern sense seems highly speculative, based on the Knowledge (XXG) article about her. If having a 'romantic friendship' qualified her as a lesbian, I guess Abraham Lincoln was bi-sexual.

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saying women are better at it than men! So, if this is a reliable source, go ahead and use that instead of the existing one. Interestingly, they look like they were both taken from the same interview. Any chance of finding the original?

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page doesn't have a single external reference (...which it should), and since that last webpage was the best I could find (...but waiting for something better) I added that webpage as an "external link" to the Knowledge (XXG) page on

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These "sources" proposed by the anonymous editor keep getting worse with every iteration. Well, at least no better. I have no idea who Victor Davis Hanson is. I presume he has a Ph.D. since it says "Dr." in front of his name. And

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To Dev920 and others who have worked on this list, congrats! It is remarkable work. I think this could easily qualify as a Featured list and I'd like to see it (in all its parts) nominated. There are a few minor notes to consider.

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issues with most of the entries here and so sourcing needs to be of the highest standard. This list only survived an AfD follwoing the promise of more rigorous sourcing. I don't think we should be compromising on reliability here.

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My guess, and this is just a guess, is that you're straight. I don't mean that to be pejorative, I just mean that a) within the LGBT community, knowing that so-and-so was gay is very important. It's kind of like knowing about

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The citation given for Alexander the Great (Citation 93), which is the Knowledge (XXG) article "Deipnosophistae", does not mention Alexander at all. PLease put a valid citation or remove him from this article. Thank you.

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Of course you can help! Just compare this list to whatever category in ] you want and add any A-E people with references that aren't on this list. That's all I'm doing - I just didn't realise there were so many people!

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Planetout does have an article that refers to her thus: "Joey Lauren Adams, the bisexual lead in Chasing Amy," but this is unclear as the character is lesbi/bi and Adams has since said she never said she was bi (see

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The listed source does not mention her at all, only Brett Anderson. Nor is it on Planetout. Planetout has three articles that mention her, but not her sexuality. Article title on Google brings up the Anderson link.

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Is it necessary to provide parentheses for the dates? If the dates have their own field, the parentheses aren't needed. In cases where the subject is still living, perhaps the date should be expressed as "b.

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some professor who has a personal page with an uncited "List of GLB people" of his own, which indeed lists Kemal. But that seems weak to me. Anyone else want to opine if this name is at all supportable?

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Perhaps you should mention why you think having sex is the only benchmark for bisexuality? Do you have any support for that theory? I know people who have never had sex, but still have a sexuality. --

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As for the unknown sexuality, I'm still bothered by the term "unknown". Perhaps "disputed" may be a better term? It appears that that works for Caravaggio, Gia Carangi, Elegabulus and possibly Armani.

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Reviewing those sites, I feel as if it could still go either way, it's pretty much a hung jury on whether he's gay or not, so I'm assuming that they put bi-sexual as in meaning 'possibly gay'.

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I don't think that is so much an admission of actual homoesexuality/bisexuality as it is a statement of accepting and relating to gays in general. That statement seems pretty tentative to me.

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Please note, I have not finished with this table. This ongoing program of referencing and cross referencing all sexuality lists and categories will recommence after my Cambridge interview.

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Hmm, looking at Google, everyone is copy/pasting each other. There are about 2/3 write-ups about this that get copied everywhere; it looks like it all stems from a January 2004 edition of

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enough to justify the list? Do we have a list of known smokers? A list of people who have never drunk alcohol? A list of virgins? A list of people with a 4.0 average in high school?

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information to confirm its reliability. I am happy to help source the deleted entries (I have sourced many entries on these lists) but in the meantime, they should remain deleted.

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Wikepedia/Hollywood Star/defunct newspapers. Hollywood gossip columnist, film critic, newspaper editor and publisher, The Hollywood Star newspaper and Gayboy, a tabloid newspaper.

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respect your wishes and wait before nominating, or even let you nominate them yourself. Let me know what assistance I can be...I've already added a few people with proper refs.

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This will automatically generate an entry in the reference section. Be especially careful when adding external references, to close tag (or the page gets majorly messed up).

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I think "Unknown sexuality" should be expressed differently, perhaps "presumed homosexual"? If their sexuality is indeed unknown, they shouldn't be included on the list.

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It was not until the Christians came into the picture when these everyday and normal practices were banned by the Roman Churches, who are also guilty of the same!

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Why exactly is Charles IV of Spain on here, when he was married, his article has nothing on it and Google turns up nothing? Maybe someone mixed him up with James IV?

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To my knowledge, Baltimora was not bisexual, there is no evidince backing this, nor are there any citations...I'd like to remove this unless anybody finds anything.

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Do you really think that everyone who enjoys experimenting with their sexuality is bi? It's an unsourced interpretation, and it's OR. I've listed this case at

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declared) it would sound silly. It is OR, in light of her own statements, to say she is heterosexual. That's a POV, and not one supported by her own words. --

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Hehe - well, you may take issue with it. But I will take your last comment to mean you don't consider yourself "completely heterosexual" - bully for you! --

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improperly sourced names from the article to the talk page instead of simply deleting them. I'd be more comfortable with that, since it provides a list that

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Disputed is fine, much more formal. I'll leave the images thing to you. If you really want to remove the parentheses, go ahead, but I still prefer them with.

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Cormack, Morgan (11 April 2023). "Richard Armitage: 'Spooks' Lucas North probably wasn't 100 per cent straight'". Radio Times. Retrieved 14 April 2023.

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Well, I poked about a bit for you to find a better source, and I found out that, depite the fact that he identifies as bi on his myspace, not so much

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about whether or not a person's sexuality is "a trivial thing." Those three points are (at least my) reasoning behind why this list is notable. --

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Images inside the table, I'm not really happy with. Maybe we could place them at the beginning of the section? I don't know. But inside seems messy.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20070927212410/http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=25259&highlight=1&highlightterms=&lstKeywords=

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Can someone tell me why Giorgio Armani's sexual orientation is disputed? If it is really disputed, shouldn't his entry be removed from the list?

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Well, I think that that is great! We should totally peer review this next week, but right now, I have an essay on the Duke of Somerset to do. :)

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Sources that are not reliable are not marked as weak, especially where many of the entries are about living people. There is no such thing as

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On the parentheses, I still think they add nothing to the list and make it look messy. I would be willing to remove them if it's ok with you.

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Kurt Cobain said "I probably could be bisexual" not "I am bisexual". Armstrong, on the other hand, has never stopped saying he is bisexual.

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No ancient sources suggest he had homosexual relationships & I don't think there's sufficient evidence for his inclusion in the list.

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No, and I wouldn't support listing her on a list of heterosexual musicians, either, unless a source can be found saying she's straight. –

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in modern day society based on its ancient sources and of its origins dating back 2000 years ago! Regards, Steve Horvath, Chicago, IL

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gillian-anderson-i-always-look-long-term-at-relationships-as-long-as-there-is-a-back-door-wn05p72hr

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Well, if you're into that WJB, there's a couple of hundred people who need either adding to this list or removal of LGBT categories

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Why does a person need to declare "I'm bisexual!" instead of "I enjoy experimenting with my sexuality" to be considered bisexual? --

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for a good reason. It is better to have a list with fewer entries that are correctly sourced. Where living people are concerned,

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available. The problem is that because not everybody actively monitors this list for completeness (even I watch it primarily for

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somebody from the list because that's the provided source; it would be far more appropriate to look for an alternate source and

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Well, personally, I think saying you find women more attractive than men is indicative of bisexuality, and she seems to agree:

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Her article also doesn't mention anything. If it ever did, it was only for a brief time. I'm removing her from the list. --

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also be similarly spun off, but (a) nobody's ever actually tackled doing that for real, and (b) for some people it can get

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It's a valid interpretation -- but unless you can find a source that says she's bi, it's still just your interpretation. –

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A Hollywood superagent. Agent for James Dean, Tab Hunter and more. Personal knowledge he is gay. (User: Kern News Agency)

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it is clear they became close friends, whether or not they were intimately involved can only be a matter of speculation."

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Hollywood movie and TV actor. starred in THE REBEL on TV. Wikepedia/Nick Adams talk- Nick Adams' secretary, Bill Dakota

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The list has no content beyond links to other articles, so would be better implemented as a (self-maintaining) category

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How is Antinous and Hadrian "anachronistic" ? I know what anachronistic means, I questioning it's usage in this case.

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I haven't claimed she's heterosexual. I'm saying we shouldn't make unsubstantiated claims about peoples sexuality. –

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attacks are pathetic and futile. Don't waste our time with them. If you have any evidence to present, please do so.

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What about Alexander the Great the greatest military leader of all time he had multiple male and female lovers.

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had become British. Can people keep an eye out for edits by non-regulars, cos this is only going to get worse.

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Edward Albee is decesead in 2016 while this list signs him as still alive, born in 1928 Edit with 1928-2016

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as well). Can someone provide a better reference, I'm at work and have only access to Knowledge (XXG), ugh!

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when you're African American. And b) even outside the LGBT community, knowing that your favorite composer,

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doesn't really mean much beyond saying its a list you don't see the point of. I could describe this a

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real citation (by the same anonymous editor) makes me more convinced the name doesn't really belong.

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sources for the deleted entries rather than distracting me from doing so with your comments here?

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The list also provides an actual source to document why it's included, while a category doesn't.

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we need to really spruce up these lists, there's too many people missing or poorly referenced.

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people can research and keep track of and as well — is there a reason that can't be done now?

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sources already used in it for guidance, so I think its a mistake to have weak sourcing.

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I found a good way to include pics. I tried it out with A and it works quite nicely! See

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The fact of Atatürk's homosexuality is widely accepted and I would regard historian Dr.

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to Mary Rozet Smith qualifies her as something akin to a current-day lesbian. See the

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The parentheses are there simply because that's how I like to do dates and that's how

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Should a period be placed following profession? I would think it simply looks neater.

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states that Atatürk "enjoyed male outlets". I have added this article as reference.

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already. Even though we mostly keep L, G, B and T people together in common "LGBT"

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as a lesbian in the modern sense. However, the evidence is pretty strong that her

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By the way, article should not contradict each others. I say you go settle this at

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source to turn to, but the idea that it's even remotely possible for it to be the

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as to whether they would be more properly included in the L/G list or the B one.

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and certainly doesn't seem acceptable for sourcing controversial comments about

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The links have become messed up at around 135/136. I will look into for a bit.(

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number of the people you've removed because they were sourced to Koymasky are

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to the dedicated transgender list. At least in theory, L, G and B people

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a topic of genuine encyclopedic interest in the real world, however, is

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I mean, I'm definitely gay in spirit, and I probably could be bisexual."

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article is interesting in terms of all this "Complete hetero" talk. --

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There's some fairly insidious vandalism going on - I just discovered

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Can you find a source that says she's straight? Just curious... --

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Googled a bit, but indeed, didn't find a *solid* reference in the

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as gay. In almost every case you've removed, alternate sources

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as a highly reliable source. His December 18, 2004 article in

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