603:* That is a good point, i would think an umbrella group is one that has groups, that are part of it that operate under their own guise and that of the wider group. A group could be part of more than one umbrella. Perhaps however this is a very complex relationship that might be very difficult to express, perhaps it would help if we better defined what an umbrella organisation is (it is not a term i heard use to describe groups in the UK)?
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Groups like Nova Roma or the SCA aren't considered actual reenactment groups. The SCA is more of a LARP group, it's best described as "historically inspired" by its own members - it's not a serious attempt at recreation of the past. Nova Roma is kind of a fringe organization that tries to be like the
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I have also formatted the groups' web addresses. I have not checked to see if they work or not - in a week or so when I do the clean out, I will be removing this column altogether - if the group has an article (and so remain in the list, I think there are about 9-12 that currently have articles) then
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