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This thrembo constant business is making me sick over the fact that I ever suggested that untrained hobbyists can make meaningful contributions to mathematics
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Didn't the old page for this, back before the cleanup started and it was just a big list, have images? Such as the lemniscate constant having an image depicting it and the paper folding constant having a gif of paper folding? For an example just pick any revision from 2016-2017. Edit: I'm also sure
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I don't think they should. They used to be merged with the main table, but it was decided that continued fractions be put in a separate table instead because of how cluttered it looked. We already have a lot of columns, and all of them are important properties of each constant; we can't really add
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The criteria for inclusion is that the the constant must have been used in at least one published source. But what about the area of a circle with radius r=4? or r=7? or r=8? All of these circles have been used countless times in published sources but aren't included. What about arbitrary integers:
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Hi, I noticed that a lot of the constants listed here actually have their dates wrong. I found sources for them that date back before the year listed in the table. I tried to correct all the ones I could find by using the sources listed on OEIS and MathWorld. This will also change the ordering of
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This looks like an amazing amount of work by everyone. Personally, I like the chronological ordering, which gives a sense of development of ideas and probably acts as a proxy for increasing knowledge-level for a reader. If I need a named value, I can easily do a string search on the page but not
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