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that if a lot are listed, they should be surnames of importance enough to at least merit a wiki article. If not, then sure, why not at least 10-20 that seem reasonable per country. So for a stupendously pluralistic country like India, I see no problem with a list of 100 or more wikilinked surnames, in seemingly random order (which is what the latin alphabet is). For a homogeneous country like Japan I see no problem with 100 surnames because the data is so expertly curated. With relatively-homogeneous countries like Syria or Iraq, I see the list of names not needing to exceed 10 or 20.
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I feel this section should also mention about the structure of the Sri Lankan surname system, particularly, the surnames used before and after the given name. And the statistics should also take into account the surnames used before the name as there are people who simply do not have a surname after
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Your own source says it is a surname. If it is not a surname, then why do "1,086 people in the U.S. have this name"? Your edits were removed because they're not written in any way that makes sense and
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I agree. I've been shepherding this page since I came across it (and Europe's). I like the idea of "important" countries being going up to 50 or 100 because those tend to be sourced and presented nicely in a graph or chart by rank (and even with pop figures!). For others that are unranked, it seems
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I went through 18 examples (not including, presumably, reprints or the "in Most of the World" example) that consistently used "the fooest" before finding one example, which happened to be at the beginning of the phrasing, which omitted the article. All I am trying to do is to present content that
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This page sayis that Devi is the most common Indian surname: million of people would have this surname. Please try and find any man having this surname. Devi just means lady and you will find it only in the signature of Indian women and in association with other parts of the surname. Devi is not a
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I think the best compromise might be to keep the three states (as well as Turkey or/and
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ok understood for everything, THANK you for having the kindness of explaining the reasons of your reversal. I don't know which of the links I put are nazi. I just made a google search and I quoted more than one link. Of course I am not an academic scholar.
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In 2017, the Thai gov shown the most common full names: สมชาย แซ่ตั้ง Somchai
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Alright, verifiable criteria for which surnames should be included in this article are much needed. There have been too many unsourced additions, and this has gone on for far too long. Any suggestions?
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