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places it on a different level to others which might be thought broadly comparable, like
Transnistria or (former) Nagorno-Karabakh, which never had such formal recognition at all. The entities in Ukraine claimed independence for a much shorter time span, have since subsumed themselves into/been annexed by Russia (so wouldn't count for the purposes of the list in any case as they no longer claim to be states) plus those areas are subject to an active and ongoing war. The Georgia-South Ossetia conflict in contrast has been frozen for a considerable period. Of course it could 'unfreeze' and change dramatically like the Nagorno-Karabakh case, but it hasn't as of now. I don't see what Sikkim has to do with it as it's status and context isn't remotely comparable, and anyway there are no sources to confirm if the relevant people are still alive, whereas there is a source for Chibirov.
2446:. The current notation on the unclear status list reads (in part) "......leaders of political entities whose status as sovereign states was unclear or disputed". I would contend that he fits that description neatly; former leader of a de-facto state that has existed on the ground for quite some time as these things go (c.35 years) largely unrecognised by other states (but not totally, which was new information to me - currently five do, and two more used to according to the list
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I looked at the two videos from later, the first one is gone, but the second one is still up, and if someone could find a photo of him from some time recently, we might be able to compare and see if they are similar face wise. I did look at the one in the source used and the video, they seem similar,
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Mohammed Ali Salim of Libya is shown in the table as born 1935 with no specific date - therefore he might possibly be older than #98-100 in the main list, plus the youngest two in the unclear status list. He can't go in any of the lists as things stand because there isn't a source to say he's alive,
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I was looking at some sources on google, and a news article came up talking about his founding party had won an election in 2021, and it says "Late Prime
Minister Ahmed Osman" which may imply he's died sometime before the articles date of September 10, 2021 and after the source used in the list. Is
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This case is pretty simple; somebody on
Malagasy WP just conflated two people. The person who died was 93 in 2020, so 7-8 years older than the PM, and doesn't look anything like him; meanwhile the recently posted videos do appear to be the PM and the poster appears to be the theologian he claims to
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I don't disagree, however I think the existing convention on
Knowledge (I'm sure someone's mentioned it before on this talk page) is to remove people on that basis specifically when they reach 110 (or would do if there were evidence of life). In these cases that cutoff would be reached in 2025; as
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Odd... feels like a Ri Kun-mo here. But, I think we would have seen something had he died in 2020. Can anyone confirm it with a
Malagasy source? I also checked the deaths in 2020 (English one anyway), he wasn't listed there, and id think he would have been noted with all the leaders who died that
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You appear not to have engaged with the specific reasoning I put forward. I am not suggesting South
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Ossetia im pretty sure would not count. Its barely recognized as it is, and most UN states don't see it as a country. Its not a case like where Sikkim, for example, existed on its own and took awhile to join India, or Yemen when it had split governments. The same argument is also used for
958:, Sierra Leone, head of government, 1927, somebody with the same name died in London in 2001 (and in "Reinventing the Colonial State: Constitutionalism, One-party Rule, and Civil" (p. 138), it is claimed that he had lived in London) and German wiki claimed he died in 2015
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I looked at the source, the issue with the death source is its listed as a site poster, so we can't confirm, unless the newer video can be proved its him. The source date in
January 5th, 2020, so I went and checked that date, but he wasn't there either.
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As of this date I post this, the oldest living man is 112, born in 1912. But, you would think someone born in 1915 by now would have been noticed by a source like the GRG or
Guinness World Records and hasn't. Maybe its time to remove the 1915 "class".
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Asked about him on German Wiki, he died in 2002, the user told me that the source is "The Paradoxes of History and Memory in Post-Colonial Sierra Leone". I still won't cross him, as I can't preview the book, but I am 99% sure he is not alive anymore
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I was similarly unsure about the Dalai Lama. He will almost certainly be in the 'Unclear status' table, but what to describe him as, and over what time period? I think what I've put in the table is simple and accurate, but it may not be.
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I agree he's very likely deceased, though I notice that the page reference given in the German article (p679) can't be right because the publisher only lists the book as having 332 pages! Curiously, Genda doesn't appear on
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