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The vast majority of sources, and the really internet as a whole, use capital letters. The only reason you see "MF Doom" a lot is because of news organizations, like The New York Times, trying to make a quick buck from his death, not really caring about the name as long as they can get advertisers on
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outdated. the year 2020 is arbitrary, true, but that's only because I had to pick a year to determine which sources are recent. We can pick a different year, either a few years before or ahead. But to count all years in determining our style would bias our style to older sources even if more recent
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The consensus among Knowledge (XXG) editors is that "British-American" is the best compromise for the lead sentence. It reflects the plurality of sources and is a reasonable interpretation of his identity. The complexity of MF Doom's nationality and citizenship is described in detail in the article
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His name is MF DOOM, not MF Doom, not Doom, it is all capitals. The majority of sources use all caps, despite the claim in the FAQ. There are also countless inconsistencies with the capitalisation of his name in Knowledge (XXG). His actual name is MF DOOM, it's not just capitalised letters for the
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The reason I have restricted the list to recent sources is because I believe we should be up-to-date with the style of the newer sources. This isn't a question of factual reliability but stylistic modernity, Knowledge (XXG) should merely update to what the current academic/media consensus at the
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I agree that there's no need to list the same sources twice, except in cases sources use both styles (I added a Rolling Stone example there), unless we use Binksternet's idea of just saying whether they use one style or both. It would also be useful to include the names of the sources in the
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like i said, you are free to add more as any user can. I did not intend to cherry-pick sources, but only choose recent sources so that Knowledge (XXG) may be up-to-date with contemporary sources. it is impossible to list every source, I don't think any individual can do that.
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There are a lot of inconsistencies with the capitalisation of DOOM across Knowledge (XXG), several pages use all caps, others don't, and some even switch between the 2 throughout the article. It should be standardized to use all caps, since that is his actual stage name.
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adding this to the FAQ could also be useful as currently people are confused by "the majority use lowercase" and come to the talkpage because they dont understand that the majority of sources don't do all caps without being presented with evidence.
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also I don't see why I should include The Guardian and NYT in my list since they are already in the list. it makes no sense to include the same website twice if its from the same source, unless if that website contains two styles of the name.
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At the end of the music video for ?/Question Mark, in the bottom left corner, it says "MF DOOM". The video was filmed in December 2000, which is a year after the release of his first album Operation: Doomsday.
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discography", while the caption says "MF Doom in 2008". Also, the page for DOOM's production discography exclusively uses all caps in the article, apart from the title and the "Further information" notice.
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I think having a list like this is a good idea, and it will help in future (inevitable) debates about the capitalization. If we get consensus that this list is useful then it would be good to add it to the
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If you want to have any leverage here, you must list all the sources and indicate whether they show all caps, lower case, or a combination of the two styles. That way people can plainly see the balance.
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I agree with Binksternet that starting at 2020 seems arbitrary to me — we don't generally prefer newer or older sources unless we have a good reason to think an older source is out of date or whatever.
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There is no mention of Monsta Island Czars even though MF DOOM was a part of the group and was an artist and producer on the aalbum Escape From Monsta Island
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I was just listing another source. Also, the FAQ says "In other words, how Doom chose to write his own name isn't important to Knowledge (XXG).", but per
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STILL KAPS ~ "WILLIE ISZ in all caps like MF DOOM" DOOM doesn't feature on this track, but it's in Key to the Kuffs, the same album that GMO is in.
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Knowledge (XXG) in other languages also use all caps in just his article, not including any articles that even mention him. The ones I found being
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is one of, if not, the biggest case of switching between capitalisation. Take the top of the article, it says: "For his production work, see
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I know that you shouldn't use Knowledge (XXG) as a source in Knowledge (XXG), but several other Wikipedias either use all caps at least once:
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Knowledge (XXG) is based on reliable secondary sources. These sources variously describe Doom as American, British-American or British-born.
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https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/07/05/mf-dooms-cause-of-death-revealed-widow-accuses-uk-hospital-of-negligence
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their page, and paying to get the top results on Google. Here's some of the sources that spell his name correctly:
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https://americahates.us/articles/2023/11/23/why-i-havent-stopped-thinking-about-mf-doom-and-you-shouldnt-either
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https://www.billboard.com/business/legal/mf-doom-estate-lawsuit-manager-songwriting-notebooks-theft-1235453893/
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I've fixed the capitalization on Knowledge (XXG)'s other Doom pages. Thanks for flagging that inconsistency.
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https://pitchfork.com/features/article/untangling-mf-dooms-lifelong-struggle-with-the-us-immigration-system/
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https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/10-songs-that-show-why-mfandnbspdoomandnbspwas-the-ultimate-rappers-rapper/
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Monkey Suite ~ "DOOM, ALL CAPITALS, no trick spellin', got what it take to get through your thick melon"
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That's fine but it doesn't make any difference to Knowledge (XXG), see the FAQ at the top of this page.
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https://medium.com/@103862/what-about-mf-doom-makes-him-more-memorable-than-other-musicians-7379dfd04b25
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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These are cherry-picked sources, avoiding the sources which do not capitalize the name, for instance
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In order to keep a reliable record of sources which title DOOM's name as "MF Doom" and "MF DOOM", I (
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I think there is worth in having an written example of MF DOOM's stylized name similar to this page
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https://noise.thehardtimes.net/2021/01/04/death-of-a-super-villain-mf-dooms-origin-story-and-legacy/
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all mainly use all caps for his name too, with a lot of other pages using all caps at least once.
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https://www.nme.com/news/music/marvel-first-doom-comic-since-2000-pays-tribute-to-mf-doom-3757119
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articles. Questions or comments related to record production and related articles are welcome at
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https://www.theringer.com/2021/1/4/22212562/mf-doom-daniel-dumile-madvillain-syllabus-kmd-dunks
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, you can edit this article, or visit the
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There's also an entire movie that DOOM features in, with him being credited under "MF DOOM".
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https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/open-mike-eagle-freestyle-mf-doom-tribute-9506744/
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Also, did you not see all the other sources I listed? Or do I need to give you some more?
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https://www.npr.org/2021/01/01/952519277/mf-doom-enigmatic-rapper-and-producer-dead-at-49
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But to count all years in determining our style would bias our style to older sources
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https://www.complex.com/music/a/edwin-ortiz/20-things-you-didnt-know-about-mf-doom
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for examples of how the name is written in secondary sources published since 2020.
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https://highbrowshawn.medium.com/mf-doom-hip-hops-worst-kept-secret-206043ae139d
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This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the
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Several of his songs tell you it's all caps. The ones I can remember are:
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Bells of DOOM also references that his name is in all caps in the title.
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an overwhelming majority of reliable sources use that exceptional style.
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His songs also say that his name is all caps, like these 3 for example:
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mf-doom-dead-1109072/
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All Caps ~ "Just remember all caps when you spell the man' name."
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I think that's a feature of Knowledge (XXG) sourcing, not a bug.
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All Caps - "Just remember all caps when you spell the mans name"
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Why does Knowledge (XXG) say MF Doom was British-American?
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sources decide to overwhelmingly use a different style. ―
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Why doesn't Knowledge (XXG) write "MF DOOM" in all caps?
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Monkey Suite - "DOOM, all capitals, no trick spelling"
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Ballskin ~ "All big letters but it isn't no acronym"
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Ballskin - "All big letters but it isn't no acronym"
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Capitalization of MF DOOM's name by various sources
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