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Everest by many people; I have a nickname too, but that's not how the government knows me, and my name wouldn't change if suddenly everyone started calling me Stephen. It would be a spit in the face if they kept calling me that when I don't like it. This is an ethical misstep. Knowledge is a resource for an informed public, and part of education is updating outdated information and leaving behind old biases--that starts with the title.
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Climbers typically ascend only part of Mount
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I find it a bit suspect, since it appears to be 242 meters away from the general consensus of the mapping services. It's also unclear whether it is the result of the joint effort from 2017-9. My current preference is to use
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This is just colonialism dressed up and being covered for. Parenthesize the coloquial name if you must so that people can search for and find the article, but it's
Qomolangma first, not Everest. Our goal is to provide people with accurate information, and part of that is correcting a false narrative
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It would be good for the article to show a profile of Mount
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Dear Editor This mountain doesn't belong to
British empire and also didn't have been colonized. So nat any British institute or Knowledge have name it's title as the secondary names. The basic name should be in native names. So with due respect I request you to change the title to Mt. Sagarmatha
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Chomolungma. Not any other name can be allowed. In description some empire named it as Mt. Everest. Because, not any british people had explored it, but only saw from far away and by calculation they estimated its height. So no one can claim it. So please change it. Thanks
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Chinese claimed that this word was newly coined by Nepal while Nepal argued that it is an ancient name. Can someone who knows the subject comment on this. In any case, "early 1960s" is incorrect.
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This was, however, a route decision dictated more by politics than by design, as the
Chinese border was closed to the western world in the 1950s, after the People's Republic of China invaded Tibet.
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Everest's height. Flying from Kathmandu to Lukla and starting from there means climbing 5990m, or 68% of Mount Everest's height. So suggest inclusion of the following paragraph:
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No comment on the rest of your post but, in the context of the Chinese invasion of Tibet, "invaded" is the correct word to use.
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