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368: 352: 1075:: In "Calderone's Return: The Hit List (Part 1)" (season 1, episode 4), Jim Zubiena, the show's firearms instructor, played hitman Ludovici Armstrong, who uses the technique to kill a police detective trying to arrest him right after performing a hit; the gun handling was real and unrehearsed. An expert shooter, Zubiena was a member of the South Western Combat Pistol League, with co-founder, Jeff Cooper. 237: 74: 925: 53: 22: 519:"Failure drill" re-directs to this article and was previously used here as a synonym for this drill. That information has been completely removed with the claim that the two techniques have nothing to do with each other, yet the re-direct remains. Someone who is more knowledgeable than me needs to rectify this situation. Make "failure drill" a separate article and explain the confusion in 298: 287: 265: 177: 146: 309: 276: 705:
the Djibouti Shooty alternate nickname that has been added several times originates from a firearms related message board. Although unofficial, that group does use the term extensively. Now, my question is, how widespread does that nickname have to get before adding it is adding real information to
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Well, that's his story, as related by Jeff Cooper. Seeing as both men died some years ago, we'll never know if the story was fabricated, misremembered, or a miscommunication. Mybe it happened somewhere else. Or another time. Maybe it was a criminal action unrelated to the civil war. Maybe it was
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Because at the moment all we have is assertions and a list of supposed appearances in fictional works. If this a technique taught to anyone, anywhere under this name (and named in events which are unattributed and involve forces which may or may not have served at the place and time in question) why
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Certainly not at any time during the Mozambican independence war, as neither rhodesian mercenaries nor Frelimo members were ever present at Lourenço Marques Airport during that period. Any history of the independence/colonial war can confirm that there was no such fighting in the capital. This story
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I've encountered "Djibouti Shooty" multiple times outside of 4chan's /k/ board where it originates, mostly in youtube comments and other message boards, but twice in real life. While it's a jokey reference more than an "alternative name", I do think it warrants some mention, if nothing else than as
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Why is it that anything at all which might relate to someone of black skin must be treated like an original eggshell from the Garden of Eden? I submit that, had the technique originated in a war in Sweden and had been dubbed the "Swedish Technique," the two LAPD police officers would have never
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For what it's worth, I've heard "failure drill" used frequently to refer to the technique described here. That is, two quick shots to the body followed by a rapid assessment of the target's condition, and a final, carefully-aimed follow-up shot to the head if the target still presents a threat.
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In every firearms class I have taken that deals with legal aspects of personal defense, they have pointed out repeatedly that it is not legal to (1) shoot to kill or (2) shoot to wound. These, I think, are the popular beliefs as to the objective of defensive shooting. In a personal defense
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Not wrong. Try attending a Gunsite course, or reading their literature. There are two different drills taught. One is an immediate shot to the head, the other includes a very pronounced pause, then a shot to the head if the two shots to the center of mass are unsuccessful.
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is a fabrication, it part or in the whole. And it is a demonstration of the crappy quality of Knowledge that the denunciation of it gets a "citation needed" and ends up being deleted from the page, while the original fabrication remains, backed by nothing!
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They're not the same drill. The Mozambique Drill is two shots to the center of mass, followed by an immediate shot to the head. The Failure Drill is two shots to the center of mass, followed by a target assessment, followed by a shot to the head.
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the article, as opposed to vandalism? Genuinely curious here, and thinking that it isn't appropriate to add yet, so I won't at this point. But, at what point does that change?03:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)03:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)~~
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Ok, so some sources for the story, giving the reasons behind the supposed racial overtones, could improve the article. I would not have guessed there were any, myself, so the info on what they were thinking would be welcome.
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A double tap is often confused with a controlled pair. A double tap is a legal term from the UCMJ used to describe when a shooter engages and clears a threat only to return later and place another round in (now non lethal)
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in "Mad Buck Gibson" (season 2, episode 9). However, as the character "Mad Buck" fires repeatedly on a human outline on a wall, he actually does so in a different pattern: one head shot, followed by two shots at the
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twice shoot a wounded or an apparently dead enemy to ensure he is not feigning death. A double tap should not be confused with a 'controlled double,' which is the firing of two aimed shots at a lawful enemy
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Was there something special about fighting in Mozambique (e.g. lots of child soldiers hopped up on drugs) that lead to this drill or was it just coincidence that it was developed in Mozambique.
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so your opinions are irrelevant. What matters is that it literally was renamed due to concerns about racist overtones, not your opinion that this is "political correctness". Take it elsewhere.
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The Mozambique Drill's distinctive name and rapid fire pattern of "two to the chest, one to the head" have been used in numerous TV shows and films, and in other media, including:
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The "popular culture" section needs sources. Any material without a secondary source should be removed eventually. Otherwise the material is original research.
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I reverted the change in the lead of "double tap" to "controlled pair," restoring double tap. Regarding the edit note explanation for the original edit -
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Contrary to popular belief, the immediate aim of defensive shooting is to incapacitate a target so as to render the attacker incapable of further attack.
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I found myself unable to imagine, and immensely curious, as to what the 'popular belief' here might be. It might be worth including it in brackets.
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situation you are authorized to shoot to STOP the attack, and nothing else. It just takes more to stop some attackers than others.
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a hypothetical scenario. Call it a fisherman's tale. The story, regardless of it's factual accuracy, is the basis of the name.
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Quick additional research into a UCMJ definition turned up an explanation of the "dead check" usage of double tap that says,
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There is a gun in Apex Legends named Mozambique, wich is a pistol shotgun shooting three peletts in a triangular shape
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This still needs to be settled. Other articles reference the "failure drill" interchangeably.
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Rhodesian Mike Rousseau was serving as a mercenary in Mozambique at the time. <---when?
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To preserve the material in case suitable sources can be found. I'll reinsert the
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Quite classic in IPSC shooting (the origins might as well be mythical though).
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Wrong. See Jeff Cooper's words on the matter, the man who formalised it:
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thought to rename it. I grow really tired of political correctness.
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Double tap vs controlled pair: different definitions of "double tap"
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info, since it does have what seems like a good source.
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This alternative definition should be included in the
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