Talk:Monolatry - Knowledge

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it's important to include Christian ideas in the article, there is very little there. Some early Christians believed in varying kinds of theism, or even something not exactly like theism. Some Gnostics might have, for example, believed in good gods vs. evil gods; some might not have thought of some (or all?) of them as "gods" at all. There is a LOT of history there missing. I have seen some references to this in other articles, but which those were are not coming to mind at the moment, or I might include some of that here myself. Today, there are a bazillion different permutations of theism among those who call themselves Christian. Relatively few might be Monolatrists, but are some. I'd like to see references to actual Monolatry within Christianity throughout the ages. :)

1578:. Moses and his brother Aron wore monolatrists, and so was his successors Joshua, Ehud, Deborah, Gideon, Jephthah, Samson, etc., who fought the kings of Canaan and conquered their cities, and who then had to argue that God was stronger and truer than eg Ammonites gods Baal and Asherah. "The Lord is stronger", it is said in several passages in the Old Testament. This is to speak like a monolatrist. A monotheist would say: "The Lord is the only one". A henotheist would say "The Lord is the only god for us", and would try to negotiate with other people rather than start a war. The article must also try to explain when the Hebrew people became monotheists. --Caspiax 23:33, 8 August 2013 (UTC) 1843:, the belief in one god being supreme among many gods, is actually quite young concept (historically speaking) deriving from a narrowing of the term "monotheism", which didn't always insist on "denying other gods even existing". The earlier parts of the Bible certainly didn't insist on that nor do other forms of monotheism found in Roman-Greek philosophy (e.g. Neoplatonism) or in Hinduism. Because of this narrowing, scholars came up with another term for the less-exclusive monotheism. Note that Neoplatonist or some Hindus acknowledge a supreme deity but do not think it approachable by worship. 1151: 577: 1130: 565: 739: 718: 541: 844: 823: 3032:

books used as sources or even the books themselves being online somewhere? Or perhaps there's something else that would qualify as a source? Anyway, just thought I should let you all know about the video and the sources mentioned in the description field as it might be a good starting point for beefing up the source section of this article a bit if anyone is willing to go to the effort of looking through it all.

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earliest writings we have that quote Jesus were written **THIRTY** years after he was crucified. The Athanasian and Nicean councils didn't take place until 362 and 325 CE respectively. If we define what is mainstream by things that happen hundreds of years after an event, then I guess I can say that certain things supersede councils of men.

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That kind of addresses this topic. And sure, it can't be used as a source, and heck, its sources are books etc that can't be used as a source either directly. But perhaps someone digging deeper can find more sources about this topic by going down that rabbit hole? Things like online references to the

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The Lord, who is now our God and not the God of the other nations-He will be in the future “the one God,” as it is said: “For then I will convert the peoples to a pure language that all of them call in the name of the Lord” (Zeph. 3:9), and it is said: “On that day will the Lord be one and His name

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is one - maybe the most common reason: people consider their particular god the supreme one. But that's not the only reason: people might exclusively worship their city/tribal god without any claim to supremacy, they might worship one god that serves as a contact or gate-keeper to the divine realm or

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The current iteration of the "In Christianity" section refers to Monolatry and Monotheism but, in my opinion, is from a personal POV interpretation without citation. It argues for a certain interpretation of a translation that is already a translator's or publisher's interpretation. While I do think

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Citing the book itself would seem better. However, since Monolatrism is in contrast to Monotheism and others, I see no reason to question its value to the article. In fact, I think these are pretty significant vs. the Monotheism that is tended to be taught today among many Christian groups. I'd like

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First of all, the editor has quoted a book review. The book review is not a statement about LDS beliefs, but a critique of an article that a critic of the LDS Church attempts to describe the concepts of Christology in the Book of Mormon, part of the LDS canon. Second, it seems unhelpful to quote the

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This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Knowledge than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations

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I never encountered the term "monolatrism" before stumbling upon this article. I don't think we need another dictionary search but if anyone wants to undertake one, I'm pretty sure that "monolatry" would still come out on top. Right now, there is scant evidence for "monolatrism". At best, it can be

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It is clear the bible dopes not refer to any "other Gods" It speaks on the topic clearly by saying "gods" to refer to the blindness induced by sinfullness. It uses it as a sort of distinguisher between the one true God, and those which are a figment of mans sinful puzzle-lie formations. TO say that

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Early Hebrew belief is such a good example if you want to explain the term monolatrism or monolatry (I think you put -ism in the end of religious words too often in English) and how it differs from henotheism. If only this was more wikified with more sources, it would work excellent in the article.

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The amount of discussion of Mormonism is arguably disproportionate to its relevance to monolatry. The insinuation that Mormonism is monolatrist is contentious. Statements are made to give the impression that Mormonism is monolatrist without openly arguing such. What would be more appropriate is to

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If I am not mistaken, "Monolatrism" is not a word; the correct term is "Monolatry," which means the belief that although other gods exist, only one particular god is to be worshipped. Evidence of the pre-monotheistic character of early Hebrew religion can be found in the Hebrew Scriptures, in e.g.

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As the articles describe, they are two different concepts. Monolatry admits the existence of other gods but only describes one as worthy of adoration. Henotheism admits the existence of other gods and doesn't judge the worthiness of each for worship although believers choose one god to worship as

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The "Thou art God alone" actually comes later in the Hebrew Bible where the monolatry of the people has transitted or is in the transition to a fully realized monotheism. The texts of the 10 Commandments do clearly show that the earliest Israelites do have some form of monolatry. This can also be

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and Monolatrism. If there is a significant distinction between the two, it is not apparent; asserting that one is "distinguished" from the other is not enough. (By the way, the cited article from the 1916 Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics uses "henotheism," which demonstrates it was not coined

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Many early writings from the time just after Christ have been lost, and many things have been interpreted in ways that are unproven and indeed, non-provable as to the degree to which he (Jesus Christ) would agree. There's a problem with making claims about which group is "mainstream", when the

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I am not sure what you are getting at, and what is the real quibble. If Monolatry is the worship of one, it might also imply a belief or major belief in one. But that's fine if you think that someone can BELIEVE IN maybe more than one while worshiping only one. Was it reworded at some point to

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So given the examples above, Adam, Brian, and Charlie all practice monolatry (that is they all worship one god) even though Adam is monotheistic, Brian is henotheistic, and Charlie is some sort of theistic agnostic. David; like Adam, is monotheistic but doesn't practice monolatry because he is

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Is this article on Knowledge the main source using "monolatrism" on the Internet? I'm not sure if another dictionary survey is needed more than 11 years after that first one. I still support moving this page to Monolatry. The one concession I will give to the other side is that -latry is an

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is the worship of one god. Theoretically this is compatible with "monotheism" (belief in one god), though "monolatry" is more often used in contradistinction, i.e. worshipping one god while not denying the existence of others. Reasons for why people worship only one (out of many) gods differ.

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And why is there even a random section on Egypt and Israel? Why no Asian religious beliefs? The Christianity section ONLY discusses the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints which is barely mainstream Christianity. If this article is even on Knowledge, then Catholicism and mainstream

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Also, we should never quote scripture and assume that everyone interprets the verse the same way; i.e. do not use primary sources. This current situation is a perfect example. What is needed in both sections is a quote from a reliable source that provides an interpretation for both sections.

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compared to pantheism. This is basic, undergrad-level world religions stuff and I'm amazed you remain ignorant of the difference. There's already too much content for an effective merger. One concept would end up being UNDUE coverage on the article about the other. Creating an article like

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But as somebody wrote above, "Acknowledging other people worshipped other gods, ... is not necessarily an endorsement of those faiths or a belief in their gods. The rhetorical character of the translated passages can be argued either way, and this should be reflected in the article".

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Nevertheless, without attempting to cast a vote, I'd like to add my two cents to it. The merge between the two articles would be wrong because "Monolatry" and "Henotheism" are two different concepts. They do overlap and might often be encountered together but they're not the same:

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Acknowledging other people worshipped other gods, as the early Hebrews did, is not necessarily an endorsement of those faiths or a belief in their gods. The rhetorical character of the translated passages can be argued either way, and this should be reflected in the article.

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Whether intended or not, the move – to what is being taken here as the same word in a different form – seems to be a move to a more sectarian designation, possibly referring by sectarians to idolatry, rather than a theological word referring to an important type of theism.

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I wouldn't comment on a merge proposal made over a decade ago but apparently the last two years have seen user trying to add (supporting or opposing) votes to that. I don't think this is a valid mode of dealing with such questions. Don't have such "votes" have deadlines?

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To the student of comparative religion: Would that not be a form of henotheism or polytheism, even? What about those who believe there is more than one deity but that deity is supreme above all others and have little to no connection to the rest of them?

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article, but then say nothing; as if the quotes are self explanatory. I find them insufficient. Third, the topic is monolatrism and this section should explain why it belongs or how it is applicable to the topic. Does anyone have any ideas? --

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reflect this? Apple Dictionary defines it as: "monolatry... the worship of one god without denial of the existence of other gods." I thought the article now indicates that in the first line. Maybe it was changed after your comment. :)

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As a former student of Comparative Religion I would like to offer an alternative definition for Monolatry and Monolatrous. These are rarely used terms but I have always used them and heard them used (or so it seemed) in another sense.

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I was just reading the article today and saw that the Mormonism section and the Christianity section both quote 1 Cor 8:5, but they read differently. The LDS version is the King James Version of the New Testament; what is the other?

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A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

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Monolatry is distinguished from monotheism, which asserts the existence of only one god, and henotheism, a religious system in which the believer worships one god alone without denying that others may worship different gods with

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I do acknowledge that monolatry is often used to refer to those who believe there may be (or are) more than one god (because monolatry is a 'weaker' term than monotheism), but this article needs to acknowledge the differences.

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I think it's absolutely relevant to explicitly look in the article at whether the Shema, the most prominent declaration in Jewish practice of the Oneness of God, is compatible with Monolatry rather than out-and-out Monotheism.

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The move details from View History: "10:57, November 6, 2017‎ Jenks24 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (19,535 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Jenks24 moved page Monolatrism to Monolatry: per requested move discussion, see talk) (undo | thank)"

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IMO it would indeed be good to look at this example more closely, and at what various commentators (particularly those not necessarily just "teaching the party line") have had to say about the Shema, if s can be found.

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summarize and cite research on the question and note that the inclusion of Mormonism in this article is controversial. Contributors shouldn't assume that their point is self-evident from the selected bits of info given.

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While they are slightly different concepts, if we accept Chris Troutman's definition then Monolotry is a subcategory within henotheism. I would recommend having a section on monolatry within an article on henotheism.

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yields 55,200 results, while searching for yields 112.000 results, more than double the first search. However, some pages (mostly thanks to this article being mirrored) has both terms side by side. If we search for

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Monolatrism (Alternative Definition) is the belief that one singular supreme diety is represented by and acts through several lesser dieties. One example would be Hinduism where all gods are manifestations of Atman.

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ancient Israel supported many gods as in the same category of the one true God is incorrect. The topic is discussed by the Apostle Paul as well as by Moses and the word of God himself in the Old testament.

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will result in "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.", with "monetarism" and "monotreme" suggested. Searching for

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While google searches are not a perfect way to measure how common a term is (let alone how correct it is), it at least gives some broad indications if the numbers are vastly apart. Searching for

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The lead states that "monolatry is distinguished from henotheism", but I think the article completely fails to show how the two are distinct from each other. Who can work that out? Cheers,

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I came onto this talk page solely to see what was up with that JW section. I'll be bold and delete it--even if it's true, the article gives us no reason to believe such. Discuss here. --

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A better example (and the only one I can find a citation to support my useage) might be Ancient Egypt, where all gods were acting on behalf of Netjer and bore the title "names of Netjer".

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And perhaps a sub-section in one or both articles about the discussion about one being a sub-set of the other or not would be in order linking to the other article for more information?

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refers to a belief system. Worshipping might be linked to this or that belief system (see no. 2). The belief system usually entails worship but that isn't always the case (see no. 3).

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outmoded suffix. Generally in English today, belief systems are given -ism suffixes. Can someone review Knowledge articles with ending forms other than -ism? One example is

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No, actually the two are related but do not refer to the same. The former is the very early stages of a development that would lead, among other things, to the latter.

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Henotheism (from Greek ἑνὸς θεοῦ (henos theou) 'of one god') is the worship of a single, supreme god while not denying the existence or possible existence of other

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To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

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the topics are too different in my view. Rather I think it would be more helpful to improve the explanation in both articles of what the differences actually are.

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or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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protestant beliefs should be included. Frankly I'm not sure why this page exists. Seems it is taking an opportunity for a little bit of proselytizing.

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with summaries and comments that reinforce my point, that the section cites no sources mentioning monolatry in any sense, that it cites almost entirely

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I think the author should add WHO considers those points invalid and also separate that from the fact that they are incompatible with Jewish techings.

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This sentence is biased, because it looks like it implies that the points are considered invalid because they are incompatible with Jewish teachings.

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While the article has seen great improvements lately, the sectons In ancient Israel and In Judaism need to be combined as they cover the same topic. -

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Nothing has been done yet. Guessing or applying to Quora is not ideal ;) Still needs to be clarified/reworded with the DIFFERENCES put into focus.

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Considered invalid by whom? By Jewish teachings? Of course they are. Biblical criticism is a scientific approach, Jewish teaching is a religion.

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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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https://web.archive.org/web/20061106075405/http://www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/god/Overview_About_God/God_Monotheism_Tigay.htm

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Why is there a random section on Christianity? It doesn't really add anything to the article on monolatry. Shouldn't really be there.

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there is no clear and unambiguous denial of the existence of gods other than Yahweh before Deutero-Isaiah in the 6th century B.C.

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Suggestions for theological dictionaries are welcome. But let's move the page back for now (someone who knows how to do that).

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we (or someone) can do further research among theological dictionaries and such, rather than relying on everyday-dictionaries.

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to worship. :Monolatry on the other hand is believing that there's more then one god out there but worshiping another god is

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Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Knowledge, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

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henotheism, a religious system in which the believer worships one god without denying that others may worship different

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As there are not many people watching this page, and this seems like a brick wall argument, I am referring this to the

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And as we see from the discussion in October 2017,† each of these words might not even be found in such a dictionary!

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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will explain it as a synonym for henotheism (not quite accurate but close enough. And at least the word exists.

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So it's obvious that "monolatry" is the more common term. Hence, this page should be moved to "monolatry".

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Hum from what I understand a Henotheist only worship one god, believes there are others and are ok with

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Martin S. Tanner, A Review of Melodie Moench Charles' "Book of Mormon Christology," in Brent Metcalfe’s

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If we had some dictionary citations to back up the change, it would be very easy to move the article to

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I second the above. There needs to be a flag inserted there indicating that a citation is needed. --

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to see this information put back in but with citations of the original maybe backed up by the review.

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I have moved the following section here until such time as there is something that makes it of value:

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At least that's what I understand from the answer to this question on Quora, that said, we'll need a

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I was thinking the same thing! Whichever word is newer, they both appear to describe the same thing.

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I don't personally see how it could be a problem. According to this article, and comparing it to

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