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When did this change? Quite a few of the mammal articles redirect the genus (and some Family) article to the individual species page if it is monotypic. This creates an inconsistency. If necessary (unless things have really changed since the last time I checked), I can compile a list. When did
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What I am arguing is that "marsh mongoose" is the common name of the genus as well as the species; thus, the article is in a way still at the genus name, even though "marsh mongoose" does not redirect to "Atilax". That default is established in the naming of scores of pages on
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Of the genus, to be precise. The species probably has no true common name, though I'm sure someone produced "Taiva Shrew Tenrec" or something like that. I've clarified a little.
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