1151:, which is barely adequate as it is. We really need more references from reliable sources to establish notability. The place for comments about the subject's notability is, as has been stated, AfD. I really wouldn't propose that yourself, however, as the consensus might just as likely be to delete the article as to keep it. Rather than delete the article, if that happened, I'd rather that the article was saved as a draft so you could continue working on it. See
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1308:, thanks for thinking of me, but I'm not an expert on sourcing of this type. Most of the page seems fine to me, although the names of awards should not be italicized. Promotional material is in the eye of the beholder, what would seem promotional to someone just seems like information to others like myself. Apologies for not helping further. Don't know who else to suggest, you chose some good editors in the sections above.
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to support your assertions, as your publisher only wants to promote its authors. Also, is Joseph
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Hi, Manamaris. First of all, we were both worried by the deletion of the subject's publications. The original list was probably too extensive, but to remove all but two of the publications (the two having notes about a reviewer offering praise) was, in my opinion overkill (I've seen many articles
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Hi! I wasn't aware that you didn't use citation templates for your source citations. That's why you have those numbered links to the URLs of the various websites, which are very confusing. At this point, a template would be too much bother, but you must link a title with its URL for reader
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review, then please provide some details from the review below: (a) the exact wording of the headline / review title; (b) any useful description of the book; (c) any direct quotations you can pull out of the review that praise or criticise the book. Thanks.
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Let's hope that you can more reliable sources, then, Manamaris. I would use them even if they are critical of Mateus Soares de
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1080:, the question we are primarily interested in is whether this author is notable enough to be included in WP. Since you refuse (by what criteria?) that I ask for other people's opinions via an RfC, it seems to me appropriate that
1326:, I see that you are very familiar with WP's policies and guidelines; if you have the time, would you accept to read the current draft and let me know: 1) which sources are not acceptable (according to Horse Eye's Back) in
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It contains many passages with word-for word copying from the
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